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Неожиданно, хотсон :) Далеко не лучший мой текст, но он помог мне закрыть мой хотсон-гештальт.

Шерлок/Джон.
Ау, где Шерлоку 15 лет, а Джону за 25. Джон испытывает влечение к Шерлоку, но не может игнорировать возраст Шерлока.


Предупреждение: АУ насчет даты рождения Шерлока (не шестое января).


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07.06.2011 в 20:02

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И продолжаю держаться
Гы, молодец :white:

You are a devil in the flesh, my dear
Well, yeah, I suppose I am, after all my father has been called an angel at some point :lol: :lol: :lol:
07.06.2011 в 20:35

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:rotate:

Well, yeah, I suppose I am, after all my father has been called an angel at some point :lol: :lol: :lol:
Where did you take the devil blood in your veins from then? :-D
07.06.2011 в 22:15

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Where did you take the devil blood in your veins from then?
Maybe there's no difference between angels' and devil's blood, or maybe I'm a black sheep :sheep: :-D
07.06.2011 в 22:30

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This is quite a philosophic statement - about the difference in angels' and devils' blood. It needs to be thoroughly pondered ))))

p.s. Have you seen Lucifer is my pet's verses about us and our discussions? They are hilarious :-D
07.06.2011 в 23:40

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This is quite a philosophic statement - about the difference in angels' and devils' blood. It needs to be thoroughly pondered ))))
I see what you're thinking there and I warn you I know nothing about it — just pretending :smirk: :-D (Although, yeah, that's an interesting thing to ponder on :crzdance: )

p.s. Have you seen Lucifer is my pet's verses about us and our discussions? They are hilarious
:yes: They're great :heart: Obviously our conversations got themselves a fan, it's good that we don't need a dying taxi-driver to know who it is :-D :sunny:
07.06.2011 в 23:45

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and I warn you I know nothing about it
Neither do I, but when such a minute detail ever stopped us ))))

Obviously our conversations got themselves a fan, it's good that we don't need a dying taxi-driver to know who it is :-D :sunny:
Well, it's surely good. In case one of us finds a pair of old shoes in a deserted room, we shall already know whom to address :-D
08.06.2011 в 01:18

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Neither do I, but when such a minute detail ever stopped us ))))
*evil laughter* Well, if you want to know, I got this idea from the fact that Lucifer aka the Devil was once an angel and I doubt that his DNA changed much after his way of life and residence had changed :-D It could have affected other imps and devils or it couldn't, or their reality really does not require them to be that different :rotate:

In case one of us finds a pair of old shoes in a deserted room, we shall already know whom to address
Yes, and ask whether she finally got too much and that's why she left so abruptly not having finished her tea, or she suddenly decided to go fetch some more grass (?) (I also found the word "chronic") :-D :-D :-D
08.06.2011 в 20:40

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Well, if you want to know, I got this idea from the fact that Lucifer aka the Devil was once an angel and I doubt that his DNA changed much after his way of life and residence had changed
This is a dubious question, I believe since we don't know exactly what happened back then ))) But you've got a reason, though.

Yes, and ask whether she finally got too much and that's why she left so abruptly not having finished her tea, or she suddenly decided to go fetch some more grass
Let it be grass, why ever not :) Is she having tea while we're discussing this and that? Well, good it's not popcorn ))))
08.06.2011 в 22:07

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This is a dubious question, I believe since we don't know exactly what happened back then ))) But you've got a reason, though.
That is if they have DNA and physical form in general, but I suppose something should stand for it in their world))

Let it be grass, why ever not
Well, chronic is VERY good grass :break: , it may go in somewhere sometime, too :lol:


Is she having tea while we're discussing this and that? Well, good it's not popcorn ))))
I have no idea, I thought it's when we will have invited her to tea, but whatever :alles: And, by the way, I think tea can be quite a dangerous substance, too :yes: :laugh:
08.06.2011 в 22:21

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That is if they have DNA and physical form in general, but I suppose something should stand for it in their world))
Somwthing should, I reckon. And this is something unimaginable for a human, we will hardly waste our time imagining unimaginable things and wiil thinj of it in terms more habitual to us :cheek:

Well, chronic is VERY good grass :break: , it may go in somewhere sometime, too :lol:
If we are looking for an exact word, let's use «marijuana» and be honest :-D


And, by the way, I think tea can be quite a dangerous substance, too :yes: :laugh:
Oh yes, the degree of tea danger depends on the leaves you use to make the forementioned tea ))))
08.06.2011 в 23:33

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Somwthing should, I reckon. And this is something unimaginable for a human, we will hardly waste our time imagining unimaginable things and wiil thinj of it in terms more habitual to us
Yeah, I doubt even physicists have such terms let alone us :rotate:

If we are looking for an exact word, let's use «marijuana» and be honest
But it's lo-o-ong :nail: :-D But nothing stops us from using all of them :crzdance:


Oh yes, the degree of tea danger depends on the leaves you use to make the forementioned tea ))))
Yes, that too and if it's us who make it... then tea has never been so dangerous :fls: :-D
08.06.2011 в 23:53

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Yeah, I doubt even physicists have such terms let alone us :rotate:
:yes: To the idea of angels having humanlike DNA we stick, then :)

But nothing stops us from using all of them :crzdance:
You're right ))) There's also "cannabis", for instance, and lots of other words.


and if it's us who make it... then tea has never been so dangerous :fls: :-D
You sound so smug saying this :-D
14.06.2011 в 14:31

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To the idea of angels having humanlike DNA we stick, then
Well, since we have no proof of the opposite... :evil: :-D

You're right ))) There's also "cannabis", for instance, and lots of other words.
Anyway, I miss it all :weep3: :squeeze:

You sound so smug saying this
That's probably because I am smug; it's cool to have good grass :lol:
14.06.2011 в 22:07

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Well, since we have no proof of the opposite... :evil:
And if anyone thinks us wrong, they'd better prove their point, hadn't they? )))

Anyway, I miss it all :weep3: :squeeze:
Why miss it? We still have loads of this to consume together :cheek: :heart:

That's probably because I am smug; it's cool to have good grass :lol:
Being smug is also cool, yep :-D
14.06.2011 в 22:32

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And if anyone thinks us wrong, they'd better prove their point, hadn't they? )))
Yeah, let them try :smirk: :-D

Why miss it? We still have loads of this to consume together
We do, but nevertheless for now I'm still far away from a decent computer and a decent browser((( :alles:

Being smug is also cool, yep
:yes: ;-) Speaking about cool stuff...
14.06.2011 в 22:50

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We do, but nevertheless for now I'm still far away from a decent computer and a decent browser((( :alles:
Oh, pity. Will it last for long, though?

Speaking about cool stuff, what about you and a certain "Doctor"?)) :eyebrow:
The 17th of the current month turns out to be the day after which I'll have more of free time, not the 9th :) After the forementioned date I shall start watching "a certain Doctor" right away (I'm rather tired of waiting by now).
16.06.2011 в 20:34

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Oh, pity. Will it last for long, though?
Till Sunday, perhaps :nope: But I will come back - that's certain :-D

The 17th of the current month turns out to be the day after which I'll have more of free time, not the 9th
*epic voice* June, 17: the Ultimate Deadline :rotate: :alles:

I'm rather tired of waiting by now
I can understand that (I, honestly, could understand it even better when "DW" was on :smirk: :) ). But soon the waiting will be over, you'll watch it, and I won't have to keep myself from tempting you :gigi: :evil:
16.06.2011 в 21:19

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Till Sunday, perhaps :nope: But I will come back - that's certain :-D
I shall be awaiting that, then :cheek:

*epic voice* June, 17: the Ultimate Deadline :rotate: :alles:
Kinda that, yep )))) I don't know how long after I'll be able to relax a bit - maybe I'll have to leave for several weeks, maybe not. But till July - certainly, I will be having the Doctor watched and watched :-D

But soon the waiting will be over, you'll watch it, and I won't have to keep myself from tempting you :gigi: :evil:
Did you ever keep yourself from tempting me? I must have gotten distracted somehow, I didn't notice that :-D
16.06.2011 в 21:38

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I shall be awaiting that, then
:sunny:

I don't know how long after I'll be able to relax a bit - maybe I'll have to leave for several weeks, maybe not.
Leave what: the Internet or the work? :susp: :rotate:

But till July - certainly, I will be having the Doctor watched and watched
Don't get overloaded: it can make quite a mess in your head :yes: :gigi:

Did you ever keep yourself from tempting me? I must have gotten distracted somehow, I didn't notice that
Actually, I was succeeding in doing so, and what you saw were ve-e-e-ery tiny slips :yes: :smirk: :lol:
16.06.2011 в 21:56

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Leave what: the Internet or the work? :susp: :rotate:
Well, the Internet, I guess :) IRL I'm quite a busy bee which is really annoying sometimes. But nothing's certain until the beginning of July.

Don't get overloaded: it can make quite a mess in your head :yes: :gigi:
The one thing I'm not afraid of ))) Once I'm in a state to collect information, I'm able to preliminarily sort it out without having a mess in my head and get a firmer grip on it later. Several years ago an acquaintance of mine compared this process - not so flatteringly - to that of a fed cow. You remember, cows swallow the grass at first and put it into one part of their four part stomach and awhile later they chew it and put already into another part. Like that. No mess whatsoever.

Actually, I was succeeding in doing so, and what you saw were ve-e-e-ery tiny slips :yes: :smirk: :lol:
O-oh, I'm untrigued now :cheek: Thrilled to see what you have in mind to tempt me ))))
17.06.2011 в 14:08

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Well, the Internet, I guess IRL I'm quite a busy bee which is really annoying sometimes. But nothing's certain until the beginning of July.
Nah, that is sad(( No time to waste then?)) ;-)

Once I'm in a state to collect information, I'm able to preliminarily sort it out without having a mess in my head and get a firmer grip on it later. Several years ago an acquaintance of mine compared this process - not so flatteringly - to that of a fed cow. You remember, cows swallow the grass at first and put it into one part of their four part stomach and awhile later they chew it and put already into another part. Like that. No mess whatsoever.
Wow, Sherlock is jealous now :-D Interesting comparison: what is brainwork if not a digestion of information :rotate: :hmm: A useful thing :D

O-oh, I'm untrigued now Thrilled to see what you have in mind to tempt me ))))
We-e-ell, there are different things one can do, like expressing one's feelings towards an episode (using emotional, colourful and obscure phrases) - all that stuff, you know :smirk: :gigi:
18.06.2011 в 19:34

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No time to waste then?)) ;-)
Well, I'm not wasting any :cheek: I've watched four first eposodes of the first season so far.

Wow, Sherlock is jealous now :-D Interesting comparison: what is brainwork if not a digestion of information :rotate: :hmm:
Sherlock is miles and miles ahead of me in gathering and digesting information )))) I guess, this is a true comparison, that's why I recited it :)

We-e-ell, there are different things one can do, like expressing one's feelings towards an episode (using emotional, colourful and obscure phrases) - all that stuff, you know :smirk: :gigi:
By now I don't really feel the need to use emotional, colourful and obscene - you meant this word, not "obscure", right? - phrases. Well, what concerns feelings - I see the Eccleston's Doctor, and I'm so sorry for him. The war, the pain, the loneliness are written all over his rough face in huge bold letters. I'm quite charmed by watching him and comparing the picture with the things I got to know before watching; but the information I'm getting is not chewed yet.
18.06.2011 в 23:43

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I've watched four first eposodes of the first season so far.
Hm-m)) Did you like the Dalek?) A charming creature :sunny: :heart: :alles:

Sherlock is miles and miles ahead of me in gathering and digesting information ))))
Well, you know better :rotate: It's still very useful :yes: ; maybe I'm jealous, a bit... probably :evil:

and obscene - you meant this word, not "obscure", right?
Nope)) I meant "something unclear and mysterious that can fuel the curiosity" - "obscure" might not be the right word, yeah, couldn't find anything better at the moment :crazy:

Well, what concerns feelings - I see the Eccleston's Doctor, and I'm so sorry for him. The war, the pain, the loneliness are written all over his rough face in huge bold letters.
:yes: Maybe that's why he chose Rose - he needed someone so very different from what he was :nope:

I'm quite charmed by watching him and comparing the picture with the things I got to know before watching;
"Charmed" is the very word :friend: :heart: :heart: :heart:
19.06.2011 в 18:41

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Did you like the Dalek?) A charming creature :sunny: :heart: :alles:
He has a certain clumsy kind of charm :) As well as his whole race. I've watched so far the first season, "Children In Need" and "Christmas Invasion", so I saw a lot of Daleks together.

It's still very useful :yes: ; maybe I'm jealous, a bit... probably :evil:
Don't be jealous, it's just the way we are. We are different. No good if everyone's like, I assure you )

Nope)) I meant "something unclear and mysterious that can fuel the curiosity"
Sorry then, I must have got you wrong :)

Maybe that's why he chose Rose - he needed someone so very different from what he was :nope:
I guess, that is why, yes. Although it's a pretty useless thing to do, and sometimes - at his most vulnerable moments - he understands that. When Rose broke the time to save her father, he says: I picked again another stupid ape. And when he lies unconscious after the regeneration, Rose says to Jackie: I keep forgetting he's not human.
This is it for me. She can't be compared to him, all she can is love him in her selfish and careless, so very human way. He takes the love and gives her the whole Universe instead and tries to love her back as mich as he can, but he's a sapiens and she's an ape, and nothing can change that, and the Doctor bears more loneliness inside him than she can ever imagine.
You remember his happy face when Rose - with all the time-vortex energy from Tardis's heart inside her - says she can see everything that was, everything that is, everything that could ever be. He is radiant with happiness for a moment, he says: so can I, all the time! And he kisses her as his equal; kisses her deliberately to make her "an ape" again, otherwise she dies. And he tries to be human to stay with her - to get the illusion of love and peace that he wants so badly since Gallifrey was destroyed.
Watching "Doctor Who" is much more painful than I expected. The last of the Time Lords rips my heart and soul apart.

"Charmed" is the very word :friend: :heart: :heart: :heart:
Half charmed, half cursed - that's what I think now, having seen what I have seen :)
21.06.2011 в 20:47

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He has a certain clumsy kind of charm As well as his whole race. I've watched so far the first season, "Children In Need" and "Christmas Invasion", so I saw a lot of Daleks together.
And there'll be more, though not always this nice-looking :nerve: :alles:

Don't be jealous, it's just the way we are. We are different. No good if everyone's like, I assure you )
OK, I'm gonna shut up now :yes: :-D

Sorry then, I must have got you wrong
Well, obscene stuff can be interesting and tempting, but, IMHO, only with some special entourage, which I don't think I'm capable of creating :rotate: Obscure is more me, actually))

I guess, that is why, yes. Although it's a pretty useless thing to do, and sometimes - at his most vulnerable moments - he understands that. When Rose broke the time to save her father, he says: I picked again another stupid ape. And when he lies unconscious after the regeneration, Rose says to Jackie: I keep forgetting he's not human.
He takes the love and gives her the whole Universe instead and tries to love her back as mich as he can, but he's a sapiens and she's an ape, and nothing can change that, and the Doctor bears more loneliness inside him than she can ever imagine.
I guess, that's what he has to do now: pretend that it's enough, enough to have a laugh, to run with someone nice and in some ways "fantastic"; for a while it works but in the end he again has to talk to himself and it seems like there's no way out((
:hmm: If I'm not mistaken none of his companions did know what the Doctor was, what it was like to be him, all (especially the bad) that he had done — very probably because they would never be able to handle it, so for them he's some kind of a magician, I guess. So it's very easy to forget that "he's not human" — he himself wants them to think so (otherwise they with their human morals and "tiny minds" might just leave (well, you know, his own race turned it's back on him — anything's possible :plush: )) at the same time desperately— desiring for them to see him for who he is (there's one more tragedy for you :bang: ).

You remember his happy face when Rose - with all the time-vortex energy from Tardis's heart inside her - says she can see everything that was, everything that is, everything that could ever be. He is radiant with happiness for a moment, he says: so can I, all the time! And he kisses her as his equal;
Rewatched this part: yes, he does :rotate: He really, really aches for someone to understand him, to feel what he feels or who just knows how it is to know and feel it all and he's always so happy when he finds anyone capable of that (it can be seen very clearly in "The Girl in the Fireplace" (which you might have watched by now :-D ), for example).

And he tries to be human to stay with her - to get the illusion of love and peace that he wants so badly since Gallifrey was destroyed.
Ah, what an irony! He has always loved the human race and probably liked to pretend to be one of them (hence Mr. John Smith))), but now as his home is no more he has to pretend to be this way not to go mad :yes:

She can't be compared to him, all she can is love him in her selfish and careless, so very human way. He takes the love and gives her the whole Universe instead and tries to love her back as mich as he can, but he's a sapiens and she's an ape, and nothing can change that,
That (that "he's a sapiens and she's an ape") is a good comparison is why for me this pairing would never reach an OTP status :yes: The two might be kindred spirits or whatever people say about them, but humans (or aliens))), IMHO, are not just spirits, not just souls — they are much more complicated and, although equality is not necessary, intellectual difference still does matter. And here's a tragedy of my life — I can't go and tell that to people, 'cause if I do it would be the last thing I tell to them :bang: :hmm: a kind of spoiler

The last of the Time Lords rips my heart and soul apart.
That's why he's so good :heart: :sunny:

Half charmed, half cursed - that's what I think now, having seen what I have seen
Want more of the Ninth Doctor now?))) Eccleston is a Doctor in his own right — it's really next to impossible (or blasphemy))) to compare him with others, now that I think of it :sunny:
21.06.2011 в 23:07

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And there'll be more, though not always this nice-looking :nerve: :alles:
I like them anyway. I'm not really fastidious, speaking of looks :)

he himself wants them to think so
He's good at self-deception and recovery, yes. He had 903 years to teach himself that.

it can be seen very clearly in "The Girl in the Fireplace" (which you might have watched by now :-D
I've seen it, actually. Poor madame de Pompadour. She met the one whom she could love, a perfect one for her; he met a truly smart woman, affectionate and loving and hot but the one who doesn't worship him - the one who understands. But she was human, and human are so weak and short-lived.

but now as his home is no more he has to pretend to be this way not to go mad :yes:
Well. can't say he didn't go mad anyway )))
I think, I'm trying to rediscover America here, being so elaborate and complicated. All that concerns the matter being discussed was already expressed by Moffat. You remember, he said: the Doctor is an angel who aspires to be human. The lonely angel who will never be a human even if he tries really hard (like with mr. John Smith, who was truly sweet and adorable but couldn't afford to last) This is pretty much it.

And here's a tragedy of my life — I can't go and tell that to people, 'cause if I do it would be the last thing I tell to them :bang: :hmm:
But why would you go and tell people that? Why not let them think whatever makes them happy and content?

you'll see her very soon
I have seen her, in the special Runaway Bride. She is sparkling with life, bursting with it - just like the Doctor, two never-ever stopping flames of energy.

That's why he's so good :heart: :sunny:
Oh yes. He's incredible :heart:

Want more of the Ninth Doctor now?)))
No :) He left when it was the time for him. And I still love Tennant better. He looks like he doesn't step upon the Earth, but flies, light like a bird - I can't take my eyes off him. That's a privilege of being really skinny, I guess )))
22.06.2011 в 17:24

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I like them anyway. I'm not really fastidious, speaking of looks
But in Series 3 the creators are quite hard on them, poor creatures :-/ :yes:

Poor madame de Pompadour. She met the one whom she could love, a perfect one for her; he met a truly smart woman, affectionate and loving and hot but the one who doesn't worship him - the one who understands. But she was human, and human are so weak and short-lived.
And how he hoped to share his world with her(( And she believed in him till the very end, because inside his head she saw that he always comes when he promises, it's just that he is late sometimes.

Well. can't say he didn't go mad anyway )))
It's hard to disagree with you on that :-D Though I do wonder sometimes how much of his madness is just a mask))

But why would you go and tell people that? Why not let them think whatever makes them happy and content?
That would be cruel indeed)) But I think it's not the reason why I don't do that, the reason is that it's useless. And this uselessness, I guess, is what saddens me, for they will never see why for me it's not enough — makes me feel a bit cast out, actually :crznope:

like with mr. John Smith, who was truly sweet and adorable but couldn't afford to last)
By the way, how much have you watched already (I think I've lost you)? :rotate:

I have seen her, in the special Runaway Bride. She is sparkling with life, bursting with it - just like the Doctor, two never-ever stopping flames of energy.
Yeah :yes: If I'm not mistaken Russel Davies called her and the Doctor the best chaps ever or something like that, because with her the Doctor could relax at last after having quite tense relationships with two previous companions)))
IMHO, she can be quite annoying sometimes but she's the sort of person who makes you look past it :yes:

He left when it was the time for him.
May be :hmm: But I have a feeling that this incarnation's era was huge and we got to see only a tiny bit of it :nope: or in other worda, he's too charismatic for just one season :-D

That's a privilege of being really skinny, I guess )))
Perhaps))) No idea about it :laugh:
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But in Series 3 the creators are quite hard on them, poor creatures :-/ :yes:
I saw that :) Still I like them, whatever evolution they take upon.

it's just that he is late sometimes.
Most often he comes in time - when it concerns others' happyness, not his own.

Though I do wonder sometimes how much of his madness is just a mask))
And how much of it is not, yep.

That would be cruel indeed))
The cruel thing is to make everyone think like you do, as for me.
The Doctor wouldn't approve of that )))

By the way, how much have you watched already (I think I've lost you)? :rotate:
I've just finished 4[11, Turn Left. I'm doing it quick :)

If I'm not mistaken Russel Davies called her and the Doctor the best chaps ever or something like that, because with her the Doctor could relax at last after having quite tense relationships with two previous companions)))
Yes, it's like that. Donna makes life with her both truly complicated and unbelievably easy :cheek:

But I have a feeling that this incarnation's era was huge and we got to see only a tiny bit of it :nope:
Well, just like every incarnation's era. They all can be stretched right, left, up, down...
24.06.2011 в 09:32

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Оно прекрасно! Совершенно потрясающий ШерлокДжон.
Вы погладили мой личный кинк на тему терзаний по поводу возраста:inlove: Спасибо))
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I saw that Still I like them, whatever evolution they take upon.
I think it doesn't make like them less, but makes me wonder if they too have gone mad a little (well, their nation was also wiped out) :alles:

Most often he comes in time - when it concerns others' happyness, not his own.
Yes, otherwise noone would trust him and he wouldn't be the Doctor :sunny: Or is it the TARDIS that takes him "where he needs to go"? :hmm: :lol:

The cruel thing is to make everyone think like you do, as for me.
Well, you really do make me feel like an arch-villain trying to take over the world :-D I'm not gonna do that in the near future (breathe out, you are safe :-D ), I guess I just want someone to think like I do -- to feel human, and I want it to be genuine, otherwise it won't work) You know, I was asked — several times, actually — if it was important for me to be understood, and I didn't know what to say-- then, but now it turns out that it is and this importance it too huge, too horrible-- and too sick.

The Doctor wouldn't approve of that )))
Yeah, he wouldn't)) It's actually really amazing how he approaches anything new — with wonder and excitement, not fear, remember this "You're beautiful!"? Ah, amazing :sunny:

I've just finished 4[11, Turn Left. I'm doing it quick
:wow: Oh, yes, you ******* are :buh: :-D OK, then I have questions)) :smirk: :hmm: Let's talk about something positive :rotate:
Ah! "The Human Nature" two-parter, one of my favourites :heart: Doctor turns into a man completely different, yet it still is him, the original personality slips through the fake one, because, IMHO, you can't really "rewrite" yourself, just suppress or break, or invent. Or maybe the person he turned into was in fact him, but based on the part of him we never saw :rotate: So it kind of proves my point that the human!Doctor that Rose was left with at the end of season 4 could never really want to settle down, because the Doctor is not about the cells or number of hearts — he's about the mind, it's his restless mind that makes him run and never stop (and to me this is one of the (few though) facepalm fanservice moments in the show :alles: ).
And I don't agree with Joan Redfern (forgot it, had to look her name up :plush: ), the Doctor's refusal to turn back into John Smith wasn't a show of cowardice, it was quite the opposite :yes: Though he took her man away from her, she has every right to be a bit subjective here :gigi: :rotate:
A-a-a-and these episodes were also based on a book "Human Nature" by Paul Cornell and he adapted it himself though it featured another Doctor, and now I'm definitely gonna shut up :crzfan: :-D

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