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Неожиданно, хотсон :) Далеко не лучший мой текст, но он помог мне закрыть мой хотсон-гештальт.

Шерлок/Джон.
Ау, где Шерлоку 15 лет, а Джону за 25. Джон испытывает влечение к Шерлоку, но не может игнорировать возраст Шерлока.


Предупреждение: АУ насчет даты рождения Шерлока (не шестое января).


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@темы: Sherlock Holmes, Sherlock+John=DUSK, Texts

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2011-05-11 в 20:45 

*Кока-Кола*
Если вас кто-то не переваривает, значит не сумел сожрать
это потрясающе!
спасибо вам огромное!

2011-05-11 в 21:11 

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Благодарю вас, мне чрезвычайно приятно это слышать :sunny:

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2011-05-11 в 21:40 

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не хватало еще сдохнуть без аплодисментов. ©
Великолепные у вас все же фики.
Одни из лучших, которые я когда-либо видел, вне зависимости от фандома.

Спасибо вам за них.)

2011-05-11 в 21:58 

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Спасибо :cheek: Это чрезвычайно лестно :sunny:

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2011-05-12 в 13:20 

Izumrudishe
Frick on a stick // волшебный изюм, декадент и хулиган
это было отличное, просто отличное исполнение :kiss:

2011-05-12 в 16:31 

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ооо, так это были выыы?
замечательное исполнение, мне очень понравилось:red: ну, и Джо, конечно :heart: :gigi:

2011-05-12 в 19:52 

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Спасибо :sunny: :kiss:

Lucifer is my pet
Да, я :rotate:
Спасибо :sunny:
ну, и Джо, конечно :heart: :gigi:
Джо - центральный персонаж истории :cheek: :D

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2011-05-15 в 21:51 

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К слову о метафорах :D Sherlock+John=DUSK
А почему "DUSK"?)) Потому что это что-то большое, некий свет после тьмы или, углубляясь в фонетику, наоборот нечто тускловатое? :rotate:

(А фик я почита-аю :smirk: , но попозже :gigi: )

2011-05-15 в 22:24 

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А почему "DUSK"?))
Соединение света и темноты, которыми являются сумерки, дарит одновременнно и покой, и тревогу :)

А фик я почита-аю :smirk: , но попозже :gigi:
Я запомню это :cheek:

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2011-05-16 в 00:13 

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Соединение света и темноты, которыми являются сумерки, дарит одновременнно и покой, и тревогу
М-м-м, интересно :sunny: :yes: Счастье быть рядом с родственной душой и опасность, которую эта близость несёт :rotate:

2011-05-16 в 00:29 

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Счастье быть рядом с родственной душой и опасность, которую эта близость несёт :rotate:
Да, примерно так :) Но никакой столь же взрывной опасности, какую несет в себе любой пейринг с Джимом.

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2011-05-16 в 00:44 

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Но никакой столь же взрывной опасности, какую несет в себе любой пейринг с Джимом.
Такая серьёзная, воспитанная опасность, которая к сумасшедшей опасности относится с неким пренебрежением :gigi: :gigi:

2011-05-16 в 00:50 

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Отчего же с пренебрежением? ))) Качественный взрыв способен разрушить всю воспитанность и серьёзность :)

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2011-05-16 в 01:17 

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Отчего же с пренебрежением? ))) Качественный взрыв способен разрушить всю воспитанность и серьёзность
:-D Не знаю))) Но она считает взрывную опасность ветреной, а у неё много дел и вообще... :-D Джимова опасность однажды его уничтожит, ИМХО, а вот шерлокоджонова опасность, наоборот, их укрепляет :crznope: И пренебрежение получается этаким вселенским: это не недооценка, а скорее взгляд в самую суть :yes: :rotate:

2011-05-17 в 19:21 

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Но она считает взрывную опасность ветреной
Степень ветрености зависит от обстоятельств встречи двух опасностей :cheek:

а вот шерлокоджонова опасность, наоборот, их укрепляет :crznope:
Она точно так же может их уничтожить ) Без взрыва или кровавой бани, но оттого не будет менее болезненно, сокрушительно и фатально.

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2011-05-17 в 21:18 

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Степень ветрености зависит от обстоятельств встречи двух опасностей
Может быть :rotate: Но джимова опасность тоже, наверное, считает другую опасность... не знаю, тяжеловесной что ли? перегруженной разными принципами, которые мешают веселью, в общем :-D Ну пусть они позаблуждаются, зачем их ограничивать :-D :rotate:

Она точно так же может их уничтожить ) Без взрыва или кровавой бани, но оттого не будет менее болезненно, сокрушительно и фатально.
Физически — да, а морально — нет, скорее всего ( :hmm: хотя и морально в общем-то тоже может... но это если они сойдутся вместе и будет шериарти, а если будут сидеть по своим уголкам как хорошие опасности, всё будет нормально :evil: ) В том же бассейне, ИМХО, Джон и Шерлок быстро со своей участью смирились, а вот Джим на секунду, но дрогнул, и это при том, что он находился в заведомо выгодном положении в отличие от Шерлока и Джона. Нет, он потом что-нибудь придумает и ситуацию разрулит, но всё-таки на одно мгновение перед ним словно замаячил знак "Доигрался" :yes: (и пусть Джим на меня так не смотрит, дай ему уже печеньку :-D )

2011-05-17 в 22:32 

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Ну пусть они позаблуждаются, зачем их ограничивать :-D :rotate:В том же бассейне, ИМХО, Джон и Шерлок быстро со своей участью смирились, а вот Джим на секунду, но дрогнул, и это при том, что он находился в заведомо выгодном положении в отличие от Шерлока и Джона.
У них было преимущество - они были друг у друга. Они были вдвоем против Джима и служили друг для друга точками опоры, несмотря на заведомо невыгодное положение. А вот Джим не ожидал, что личная встреча с Шерлоком - без масок, без экивоков - выбьет у него почву из-под ног. Действительно - доигрался )))

(и пусть Джим на меня так не смотрит, дай ему уже печеньку :-D )
Он смотри на тебя благосклонно, и поэтому нет причины баловать его сладостями - не беспокойся, ему чрезвычайно льстят теории о его поведении, мотивах и вообще о его личности; он купается во внимании, оно живительно для него - а учитывая, что он практически не существует, когда на него не обращают внимания, то живительно вдвойне :cheek:

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2011-05-17 в 23:06 

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У них было преимущество - они были друг у друга. Они были вдвоем против Джима и служили друг для друга точками опоры, несмотря на заведомо невыгодное положение.
Ну, и это тоже :yes: :rotate: Так мы, собственно, пейринг и обсуждаем (типа :gigi: )

Он смотри на тебя благосклонно, и поэтому нет причины баловать его сладостями - не беспокойся, ему чрезвычайно льстят теории о его поведении, мотивах и вообще о его личности; он купается во внимании, оно живительно для него - а учитывая, что он практически не существует, когда на него не обращают внимания, то живительно вдвойне
Уф-ф, а то я уж беспокоиться начала: мало ли он критику плохо воспримет (хотя это больше констатация факта: поздно его уже критиковать :rotate: ) :-D


Так, в моей жизни слишком много "Доктора"...

2011-05-17 в 23:20 

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Так мы, собственно, пейринг и обсуждаем (типа :gigi: )
По крайней мере, начали мы с пейринга ))))

Уф-ф, а то я уж беспокоиться начала: мало ли он критику плохо воспримет
Его самовлюбленность непоколебима критикой со стороны :-D


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2011-05-17 в 23:30 

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По крайней мере, начали мы с пейринга ))))
Ага, разобрали его на составляющие и начали рассматривать их под микроскопом :-D :-D

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2011-05-17 в 23:37 

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Ага, разобрали его на составляющие и начали рассматривать их под микроскопом :-D :-D
Как мы это обычно делаем :cheek:

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2011-05-18 в 00:17 

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Как мы это обычно делаем
Да-а :drink: Берегитесь пейринги и прочая живность и не живность :hul: :bud:

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2011-05-18 в 02:05 

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А теперь по сабжу :sunny:

Замечательно :heart: Джон, как пуповиной соединённый с Шерлоком; Шерлок, по-холмсовски протягивающий к нему руки... :sunny: :heart:

глаза у Шерлока светлые, ясные – чистые глаза человека, не делающего и не замышляющего ничего дурного.
:susp: Ты тоже считаешь, что, если кто-то возникает посередине действия и уверенно что-то заявляет, то это что-то надо понимать совершенно наоборот? :gigi:

А ещё мне нравится, когда, читая текст, ты точно знаешь, что делал персонаж за кадром, хотя об этом не было сказано ни слова :lip: Хм-м... точно кинк-фест :yes:
:white:

P.S. Кажется, музыка в тему)) Я её выключила, когда стала читать, как выяснилось — зря :sunny:

2011-05-18 в 18:58 

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Берегитесь пейринги и прочая живность и не живность :hul: :bud:
Зачем же так сразу? Мы ведь не делаем им больно ))))

Замечательно :heart:
Спасибо, мне невероятно приятно :sunny:

Ты тоже считаешь, что, если кто-то возникает посередине действия и уверенно что-то заявляет, то это что-то надо понимать совершенно наоборот? :gigi:
Смотря кто возникает и что говорит :-D

Музыка действительно подходит :sunny:

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2011-05-18 в 20:32 

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Зачем же так сразу? Мы ведь не делаем им больно ))))
:-D А, может, они хотят остаться загадочными и таинственными, а мы их :cook: :rotate:

Смотря кто возникает и что говорит
А иногда и авторы любят наставить обманок... :shuffle2: :smirk: :yes:

2011-05-18 в 21:35 

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А, может, они хотят остаться загадочными и таинственными, а мы их :cook: :rotate:
Что ж, в таком случае им остается смиренно терпеть ))))

А иногда и авторы любят наставить обманок... :shuffle2: :smirk: :yes:
Да, авторы это любят :cheek:

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2011-05-18 в 22:05 

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Что ж, в таком случае им остается смиренно терпеть ))))
:-D Ну мы же их нежно режем, любя, так сказать :kissmouse: Любовь зла :evil:

Да, авторы это любят
:yes: *вспоминает Джоан Ролинг* :-D

2011-05-18 в 22:33 

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Ну мы же их нежно режем, любя, так сказать :kissmouse: Любовь зла :evil:
Со всей возможной нежностью и осторожностью :cheek:

*вспоминает Джоан Ролинг* :-D
Она этим увлекалась? )) Признаться, я читала её книги достаточно давно и почти ничего не помню.

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2011-05-18 в 23:03 

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Она этим увлекалась? )) Признаться, я читала её книги достаточно давно и почти ничего не помню.
Она этим и увлекалась, и развлекалась, и неплохо имела наш мозг :plush: Суть в том, что, хотя книги написаны от лица автора, повествование всё равно идёт с точки зрения Гарри (так называемый Гарри-фильтр), то есть, выводы, которые делал ребёнок (!), автоматически подавались нам как ответы на возникающие вопросы и объяснения различных ситуаций — ясное дело, что больше половины этих выводов было либо полностью, либо частично неправильным (что читатель узнавал книги через две, да и то если знал, куда смотреть) :alles: В общем, после прочтения кучи теорий, разборов и анализов ГП я и стала подозрительно относиться к различным авторским ходам :yes: :-D

2011-05-18 в 23:34 

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Спасибо, теперь мне понятно :)

выводы, которые делал ребёнок (!), автоматически подавались нам как ответы на возникающие вопросы и объяснения различных ситуаций
Неотъемлемое право автора - выбрать точку зрения, с которой будут подаваться события ))))

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2011-05-19 в 03:43 

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Спасибо, теперь мне понятно
:sunny: Когда я об этом узнала, у меня был шок: я-то думала это просто интересная сказка :-D Зато поняла, зачем нужен литературный анализ :heart:

Неотъемлемое право автора - выбрать точку зрения, с которой будут подаваться события ))))
Ой, нет, я не критикую! :no: Я просто подчёркиваю... не знаю, хитрость автора: догадается ли читатель, что он видит мир не глазами автора, а глазами ребёнка, осознать, что дети обычно понимают далеко не всё, сможет ли заглянуть за эту "ширму", заметить разбросанные ключи, "соединить точки" и понять-таки реальную картину событий — я не критикую, я откровенно тащусь :heart: :heart: Мне кажется, так даже интереснее, когда автор затевает игру с читателем (автору тоже, кстати :rotate: ), когда он не считает его глупым :yes: ; так интереснее просто открывать книгу в ожидании возможности покопать, поанализировать, "посоединять точки" :sunny: :sunny: :sunny:

2011-05-19 в 19:11 

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Когда я об этом узнала, у меня был шок: я-то думала это просто интересная сказка :-D
Просто интересная сказка не обрела бы столь головокружительную популярность :)

Мне кажется, так даже интереснее, когда автор затевает игру с читателем (автору тоже, кстати :rotate: )
Так действительно намного интереснее, чем когда всё подается откровенно, без намеков и полутонов, без пространства для мысли и воображения читателя :sunny:

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Просто интересная сказка не обрела бы столь головокружительную популярность
В общем, да, но популярность ведь тоже не самый надёжный критерий: сколько ерунды выходит с печатью бестселлера :yes: Я как-то купила роман про Дракулу, который вроде бестселлер — ничего особо криминального там нет, но и ничего особо интересного :vv: (а это ещё давно было, когда я не сильно требовательная была) :crznope:

Так действительно намного интереснее, чем когда всё подается откровенно, без намеков и полутонов, без пространства для мысли и воображения читателя
:yes: Всегда приятно чувствовать себя частью рассказываемой истории :sunny:

2011-05-19 в 20:12 

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Я как-то купила роман про Дракулу, который вроде бестселлер — ничего особо криминального там нет, но и ничего особо интересного :vv:
Соглашусь с тобой :) После того, что на протяжении десятков лет творили последователи Брэма Стокера, изначальный роман не производит действительно сильного впечатления.

Всегда приятно чувствовать себя частью рассказываемой истории :sunny:
:friend2: :sunny:
Хотя, на мой вкус, приятней быть частью истории, рассказывая её :rotate:

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После того, что на протяжении десятков лет творили последователи Брэма Стокера, изначальный роман не производит действительно сильного впечатления.
Бедный Брэм Стокер :-D Может, времена изменились (сто лет это много, тем более такие сто лет :rotate: ), а, может, в моём случае виновата я, которая после фильма ждала-ждала любовную линию (долго ждала, две трети книги, наверное :gigi: ) :rotate:

Хотя, на мой вкус, приятней быть частью истории, рассказывая её
О-о, это само собой :lip: Здесь ты не просто действительно часть истории, ты большая её часть — тут не то слово, что приятно :heart: :heart:

2011-05-19 в 21:08 

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может, в моём случае виновата я, которая после фильма ждала-ждала любовную линию (долго ждала, две трети книги, наверное :gigi: ) :rotate:
Я не ждала любовной линии ) Но меня роман тоже несколько разочаровал.

Здесь ты не просто действительно часть истории, ты большая её часть — тут не то слово, что приятно :heart: :heart:
Это восхитительно захватывающе :heart:

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Я не ждала любовной линии ) Но меня роман тоже несколько разочаровал.
:hmm: Роман был рассчитан на что (грубо говоря): утвердить моральные ценности и попугать — на любителя, наверное, особенно сейчас :rotate: (или это опять национальные особенности вылезают? :-D )

2011-05-19 в 22:29 

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Роман был рассчитан на что (грубо говоря): утвердить моральные ценности и попугать — на любителя, наверное, особенно сейчас :rotate:
Возможно, дело в том, что сейчас подобное уже не пугает - нервы закалены всей прочей масс-медиальной продукцией :rotate:

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2011-05-19 в 22:57 

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Возможно, дело в том, что сейчас подобное уже не пугает - нервы закалены всей прочей масс-медиальной продукцией
:yes: Вот читаю сейчас (да они вообще постоянно об этом говорят :-D ) интервью авторов "Доктора", и вот они рассказывают, что приходится им делать истории всё страшнее и страшнее, "раздвигать границы", потому что не напугаешь уже современных детей просто так :rotate: В итоге пугаются взрослые — дети в восторге :-D :-D

2011-05-19 в 23:07 

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приходится им делать истории всё страшнее и страшнее, "раздвигать границы", потому что не напугаешь уже современных детей просто так :rotate: В итоге пугаются взрослые — дети в восторге :-D :-D
В результате, я полагаю, аудитория всех возрастов довольна :-D

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2011-05-20 в 19:38 

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В результате, я полагаю, аудитория всех возрастов довольна
В общем, да :gigi: В этом аспекте... Наверное :alles: Не знаю, в этом сериале, видимо, столько намешано, а смотрят его люди настолько разные (что, если подумать, нормально), что прямо не знаешь, куда со своим мнением приткнуться :crznope: — это настоящий шок для меня был после шерлокосообщества :yes: :susp:

Ну, не будем о грустном, возьмёмся за старое :eyebrow:
Кто тут думал, что от меня отвязался? :smirk: :img:
P.S. Критиковать можно, но не факт, что я смогу что-то исправить; если уж совсем переделывать :crztuk:

2011-05-21 в 18:28 

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в этом сериале, видимо, столько намешано, а смотрят его люди настолько разные (что, если подумать, нормально), что прямо не знаешь, куда со своим мнением приткнуться
Всегда можно найти тех, кто мыслит схоже, и делиться плодами размышлений :cheek:

Ну, не будем о грустном, возьмёмся за старое :eyebrow: Кто тут думал, что от меня отвязался? :smirk: :img:
Ах, как это чудесно :heart: Я совершенно не ожидала подобного подарка, и мне приятно вдвойне :sunny: На мой взгляд, гифка идеально иллюстрирует тэг. Огромное тебе спасибо :red: :sunny:
Можно вынести гифку в отдельный пост? :rotate:

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2011-05-22 в 19:32 

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Всегда можно найти тех, кто мыслит схоже, и делиться плодами размышлений
Нет, такие есть, но иногда волосы встают дыбом :horror2: :gigi:

Ах, как это чудесно Я совершенно не ожидала подобного подарка, и мне приятно вдвойне
:sunny: :shuffle2: :dance2: Хе, я, оказывается, пока ещё непредсказуемая :-D

На мой взгляд, гифка идеально иллюстрирует тэг. Огромное тебе спасибо
:sunny: Правда ведь Джон это стимпанк? :-D Он, ИМХО, замечательно в это вписывается :rotate: А то, что пейзаж должен быть более-менее урбанистическим, значит, я правильно подумала? :D

Можно вынести гифку в отдельный пост?
Ну-у, хозяин — барин :shy2: :sunny: :squeeze:

2011-05-22 в 19:52 

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Нет, такие есть, но иногда волосы встают дыбом :horror2: :gigi:
Порой волосам полезен подобный моцион :cheek:

Правда ведь Джон это стимпанк? :-D
Ему удивительно это подходит :sunny:

то, что пейзаж должен быть более-менее урбанистическим, значит, я правильно подумала?
Да, совершенно верно :) Если мортсон в моем восприятии ассоциируется с Афганистаном и иными горячими точками, то хотсон - с городским пейзажем.

хозяин — барин
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2011-05-22 в 21:09 

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Порой волосам полезен подобный моцион
Чтоб не скучали? :-D

Да, совершенно верно Если мортсон в моем восприятии ассоциируется с Афганистаном и иными горячими точками, то хотсон - с городским пейзажем.
Хотсон видимо более цивилизованный и поддающийся упорядочиванию :rotate: (М-м-м, а если Марк всё напишет не слишком далеко от Конан Дойля, то мы увидим Шерлока за городом — как он, наверное, поначалу будет страдать :lip: :gigi: )

2011-05-22 в 21:47 

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Чтоб не скучали? :-D
Им тоже не хочется скучать :-D

Хотсон видимо более цивилизованный и поддающийся упорядочиванию
Да, мне этот пейринг видится именно так )

как он, наверное, поначалу будет страдать :lip: :gigi: )
Телефон не ловит сеть, интернет в болотах отсутствует, такси и диван тоже. Ему придется привыкать )))

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2011-05-22 в 22:36 

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Да, мне этот пейринг видится именно так )
А он, наверное, такой и есть: никакой психоделики, ангст в умеренных количествах, чай с печеньем, а кровища только по четвергам :evil:

Телефон не ловит сеть, интернет в болотах отсутствует, такси и диван тоже. Ему придется привыкать )))
:-D Но эйфория от разогнавшегося вовсю дела, думаю, заставит его об этом забыть))) :bud:

2011-05-22 в 22:42 

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А он, наверное, такой и есть: никакой психоделики, ангст в умеренных количествах, чай с печеньем, а кровища только по четвергам :evil:
Отчего же, ангст может быть и в неумеренных :-D Но почему именно по четвергам?)))

Но эйфория от разогнавшегося вовсю дела, думаю, заставит его об этом забыть))) :bud:
Я полагаю, да. В особенности от подобного мистического дела :)

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2011-05-22 в 22:55 

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Отчего же, ангст может быть и в неумеренных
Это смотря с кем сравнивать :eyebrow:

Но почему именно по четвергам?)))
А понятия не имею :evil: Главное, чтобы не каждый день, чтобы не свихнуться :rotate:

Я полагаю, да. В особенности от подобного мистического дела
:yes: Особенно, если там действительно будут Hounds :lip: :lip:

2011-05-22 в 23:38 

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Это смотря с кем сравнивать :eyebrow:
Да, если сравнивать с ангстом, который привносит Джим, - то, несомненно, в умеренных )))

Главное, чтобы не каждый день, чтобы не свихнуться :rotate:
Главное - распорядок :-D

Особенно, если там действительно будут Hounds :lip: :lip:
Целая свора собак Баскервиля :rotate:

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2011-05-23 в 20:51 

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Да, если сравнивать с ангстом, который привносит Джим, - то, несомненно, в умеренных )))
Во-о-от :-D Шерлокоджон без ангста прожить может, а джимоджон начинает загибаться :yes: :-D

Целая свора собак Баскервиля
Лишь бы и правда были собаки :sunny:

2011-05-23 в 21:18 

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Шерлокоджон без ангста прожить может, а джимоджон начинает загибаться :yes: :-D
Пожалуй, джимджон построен на фундаменте ангста :)

Лишь бы и правда были собаки :sunny:
Сложно представить себе, на что можно заменить собак.

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2011-05-23 в 21:39 

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Пожалуй, джимджон построен на фундаменте ангста
Это да :rotate:

Сложно представить себе, на что можно заменить собак.
Нам сложно))) ; но Марк, кажется, такой же фанат, так что и ему, наверное, тоже сложно :-D

2011-05-23 в 22:06 

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но Марк, кажется, такой же фанат, так что и ему, наверное, тоже сложно :-D
Ему, напротив, должно быть легко :rotate: Его мышление значительно отличается от нашего. И это, я полагаю, только к лучшему.

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2011-05-23 в 23:02 

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Ему, напротив, должно быть легко Его мышление значительно отличается от нашего. И это, я полагаю, только к лучшему.
Это если ему захочется что-то поменять (а менять и так придётся очень много :lip: ), тогда, конечно, его фантазию не остановить :yes: А если не захочется? :rotate: :hmm: Хотя чёрт его знает, у них там ничего святого :heart:

P.S. Я, кстати, таки прочитала "Скандал в Богемии", и там оказались целых три отсылки из серии Марка (про "domestic bliss" aka "wedlock" и putting on weight, "You see but you don't observe" и богемскую бумагу — я об этом узнала только что :smirk: :lalala: ), в связи с чем мне представилось лицо Стивена Моффата, мол, спасибо, что не всё взял :nunu: :lol: Правда, там ещё осталось :laugh:

2011-05-23 в 23:35 

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Хотя чёрт его знает, у них там ничего святого :heart:
И это прекрасно, поскольку только благодаря этому они сумели воплотить в жизнь свои головокружительные идеи :sunny:

в связи с чем мне представилось лицо Стивена Моффата, мол, спасибо, что не всё взял :nunu:
:-D Я подозреваю, что Моффат так или иначе отплатил или отплатит Гэтиссу той же монетой :rotate:

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2011-05-24 в 00:24 

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И это прекрасно, поскольку только благодаря этому они сумели воплотить в жизнь свои головокружительные идеи
Сумасшедшие британцы :heart: :heart:

Я подозреваю, что Моффат так или иначе отплатил или отплатит Гэтиссу той же монетой
Может быть :-D , они там цитируют по всему Конан Дойлю, так что рано или поздно начнут наступать друг другу на уши :rotate: А Марку, мне кажется, в первом сезоне было сложнее: у него не было конкретной истории, на которую можно опираться ("Чертежи Брюса-Партингтона" не считаются))), да и Мориарти: пусть придумали они его, наверное, вместе, писать-то Марку :yes:

2011-05-24 в 19:05 

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Сумасшедшие британцы :heart: :heart:
:yes: :heart:

А Марку, мне кажется, в первом сезоне было сложнее: у него не было конкретной истории, на которую можно опираться
Всё же "Чертежи" послужили ему первоначальной точкой отсчета :) Использовав их как основу, Гэтисс позволил фантазии разгуляться :rotate:

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2011-05-24 в 20:34 

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Всё же "Чертежи" послужили ему первоначальной точкой отсчета Использовав их как основу, Гэтисс позволил фантазии разгуляться
Возможно)) Хотя мне показалось, что это деталь немного левая, и для Джима было намного важнее именно что поиграть с Шерлоком, чем раздобыть планы, которые, несмотря на его заявления, ему реально были нужны :crznope:

2011-05-24 в 21:03 

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для Джима было намного важнее именно что поиграть с Шерлоком, чем раздобыть планы, которые, несмотря на его заявления, ему реально были нужны :crznope:
Я с тобой согласна :) В этом ценность Джима, созданного Гэтиссом и Моффатом, - он гораздо больше, чем текстовая функция, призванная оттенять Холмса, больше, чем просто преступник (пусть даже гениальный).

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2011-05-24 в 21:09 

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В этом ценность Джима, созданного Гэтиссом и Моффатом, - он гораздо больше, чем текстовая функция, призванная оттенять Холмса, больше, чем просто преступник (пусть даже гениальный).
Они здесь оттеняют друг друга :yes: И, возможно, создатели, раз решив фокусироваться на отношениях главных героев, не стали лишать себя удовольствия рассмотреть и Холмса с Мориарти с точки зрения их взаимоотношений :sunny:

2011-05-24 в 21:56 

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И, возможно, создатели, раз решив фокусироваться на отношениях главных героев, не стали лишать себя удовольствия рассмотреть и Холмса с Мориарти с точки зрения их взаимоотношений :sunny:
Это ли не восхитительно :heart: ИМХО, эта экранизация - первая, где взаимоотношения решительно вытесняют на второй план детективный сюжет.

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2011-05-25 в 15:56 

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ИМХО, эта экранизация - первая, где взаимоотношения решительно вытесняют на второй план детективный сюжет.
Хе, я хотела было спросить, а как же наша экранизация, но если брать именно "вытеснение" сюжета, то да, наверное, первая (из серьёзных экранизаций: там разные вроде фильмы были :hmm: ), где практически все думают: "К чёрту эти преступления, «just kiss him already»!" :gigi: :lol: :lol:

2011-05-25 в 20:10 

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а как же наша экранизация
Я не очень её люблю ) В особенности не люблю советскую "Собаку Баскервилей": громогласный самовлюбленный Никита Михалков, ИМХО, совершенно неуместный в роли и в кадре, вызывает у меня отвращение и портит даже впечатление от премилого Соломина. Поэтому не возьмусь судить о её достоинствах и недостатках в целом.

"К чёрту эти преступления, «just kiss him already»!"
:-D Подобного подарка фанатам, я полагаю, всё же не сделают ))))

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2011-05-25 в 22:26 

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Я не очень её люблю ) В особенности не люблю советскую "Собаку Баскервилей": громогласный самовлюбленный Никита Михалков, ИМХО, совершенно неуместный в роли и в кадре, вызывает у меня отвращение и портит даже впечатление от премилого Соломина. Поэтому не возьмусь судить о её достоинствах и недостатках в целом.
Гы, а я, наоборот, очень люблю :-D Даже не знаю за что, наверное, традиционно за какой-то замечательный викторианский дух, за очень тёплые отношения, за то, что так хорошо покромсали Конан Дойля, вследствие чего, ИМХО, остался и Конан Дойль, и смотреть можно :rotate: А "Собака" это, скорее всего, такой стёб (что тебе не нравится, я понимаю :yes: ), хотя сама собака реально страшная :elf: :-D А если судить чисто о том, как перенесли сюжет, то вроде бы неплохо: ну так сценарий нормальные люди писали :crznope:

Э-э-э :shuffle2: , Соломина ты вроде одобряешь, а Ливанов тебе как? :shy: :rotate:

Подобного подарка фанатам, я полагаю, всё же не сделают ))))
И не надо, а то возведут пейринг (официально) в канон, и придётся по окопам прятаться; с намёками, полунамёками гораздо веселее веселее :-D

2011-05-25 в 22:49 

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Отношения между Холмсом и Ватсоном действительно очень теплые :rotate:
И насчет сюжета у меня нет к этой экранизации никаких претензий :)

Соломина ты вроде одобряешь, а Ливанов тебе как? :shy: :rotate:
Да, Соломин мне очень нравится :) Ливанов не произвел на меня большого впечатления, но и неприятия не вызвал. Его присутствие или отсутствие в кадре ничего для меня не меняло.
Быть может, потому что эта экранизация изрядно выхолощена; мне припоминается момент, когда звучит вопрос (в одной из последних серий): "Холмс, что же остаётся вам?", у Конан-Дойля Холмс отвечает: "Мой кокаин" (привожу не дословно, по памяти). В сериале он многозначительно молчит и берет в зубы трубку.
Разумеется, я учитываю эпоху и условия съемки сериала. Тем не менее, даже при том, что я не являюсь ярым канонистом, этот кастрированный момент и "облагороженный" Холмс меня несколько покоробил, при всех его замечательно переданных апломбе и ироничности. Конечно же, это глубочайшее ИМХО :rotate:

с намёками, полунамёками гораздо веселее веселее :-D
Oh God yes ))) "more homoerotic tension" - но разрешаться это напряжение не должно :cheek:

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2011-05-27 в 18:54 

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Да, Соломин мне очень нравится
:yes: :sunny: Он такой обаятельный, по-конанлойлевски простоватый, но производит впечатление надёжного человека — то есть не возникает вопроса, чем думал Холмс, когда брал его к себе, как бывает с некоторыми экранизациями :rotate:

Ливанов не произвел на меня большого впечатления, но и неприятия не вызвал. Его присутствие или отсутствие в кадре ничего для меня не меняло.
А я не устояла: он хоть и мягче, чем канонный Холмс (в связи с этим вопрос: где они достали Бенедикта? :wow2: :beg: ), но холмсовская отстранённость в нём чувствуется :yes: И голос :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: Кстати,Ливанов, Брэтт, Камбербэтч: это так положено, чтобы у актёра, играющего Холмса был невероятный голос? :-D :sunny:

Быть может, потому что эта экранизация изрядно выхолощена; мне припоминается момент, когда звучит вопрос (в одной из последних серий): "Холмс, что же остаётся вам?", у Конан-Дойля Холмс отвечает: "Мой кокаин" (привожу не дословно, по памяти). В сериале он многозначительно молчит и берет в зубы трубку.
Разумеется, я учитываю эпоху и условия съемки сериала. Тем не менее, даже при том, что я не являюсь ярым канонистом, этот кастрированный момент и "облагороженный" Холмс меня несколько покоробил, при всех его замечательно переданных апломбе и ироничности. Конечно же, это глубочайшее ИМХО

Ох, уж эта наркота :rotate: С одной стороны, это символ его слегка болезненной самоуверенности, который для персонажа важен, а с другой, не факт, что Конан Дойль не стал бы рвать на себе волосы, поняв, какой привычкой его наделил :nope: Тут судить сложно, но, вполне вероятно, что курение трубки для поколения нашей экранизации уже было делом довольно предосудительным :rotate: Не знаю :crznope:

Oh God yes ))) "more homoerotic tension" - но разрешаться это напряжение не должно
:yes: И мы тоже будем гадать: а они не..? :-D :-D :-D

2011-05-28 в 19:20 

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то есть не возникает вопроса, чем думал Холмс, когда брал его к себе, как бывает с некоторыми экранизациями :rotate:
Какие именно экранизации вызывают у тебя подобную реакцию? :)

А я не устоялаэто так положено, чтобы у актёра, играющего Холмса был невероятный голос? :-D :sunny:
Наверное, это одно из непременных условий, учитываемых при кастинге :heart: :-D

Тут судить сложно, но, вполне вероятно, что курение трубки для поколения нашей экранизации уже было делом довольно предосудительным :rotate:
Полагаю, да, причина именно в этом. Но это не отменяет того, что мне не нравится подобная выхолощенная трактовка - сама по себе, как концепция )
Советская экранизация более прочих походит на добрую сказку. Возможно, причина моего неприятия в том, что я не люблю сказки.

И мы тоже будем гадать: а они не..?
И по этому поводу будут кипеть нешуточные споры :-D

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2011-05-29 в 21:53 

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Какие именно экранизации вызывают у тебя подобную реакцию?
Ну, например, фильмы с Рэтбоуном — единственное оправдание я могу найти в том, что Холмс (возможно) любил детей, вот и завёл себе такого большого ребёнка :crznope:

Наверное, это одно из непременных условий, учитываемых при кастинге
Может быть :-D Тот же Рэтбоун, правда, из этого ряда выбивается, но исключения должны подтверждать правило :rotate:

Советская экранизация более прочих походит на добрую сказку.
Кстати, да :yes: Все создатели собрались, включили в себе детей и стали играть :-D

Возможно, причина моего неприятия в том, что я не люблю сказки.
Совсем-совсем?)) И даже такой трэш, как "Золушка" с отрубанием пяток или такой мегаангст, как "Три поросёнка" ( :heart: )? :gigi: :gigi: На мой взгляд, любая история отчасти сказка; но тебе, я так полагаю, не нравится именно нереалистичность, искусственность в истории, так? :)
Кстати, о птичках сказках, знаешь теорию В.Я. Проппа, после которой любая сказка уже would never be the same? :-D

P.S. Кстати, о кокаине :gigi: Конан Дойль, наверное, это сделал специально :lalala: Помнишь, как начинается "Знак четырёх"? Первая глава "THE SCIENCE OF DEDUCTION": Шерлок Холмс достаёт свой шприц... — у меня была истерика :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

2011-05-29 в 22:06 

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Ну, например, фильмы с Рэтбоуном
Как раз эту экранизацию я пока не видела :)

Совсем-совсем?)) И даже такой трэш, как "Золушка" с отрубанием пяток или такой мегаангст, как "Три поросёнка" ( :heart: )?
Совсем. Ты права, я не люблю искусственность. Отчасти в этой нелюбви играет свою роль именно то, что я отлично знакома с теорией В.Я. Проппа, а также с теорией А.Н. Веселовского, и предпочитаю элементарной мотивной разложимости неоднозначность, двусмысленность и многоуровневость современного романа.

Первая глава "THE SCIENCE OF DEDUCTION": Шерлок Холмс достаёт свой шприц...
Это ли не прекрасно :-D :yes:

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2011-05-29 в 22:39 

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Как раз эту экранизацию я пока не видела
Очень хорошая вещь :yes:

предпочитаю элементарной мотивной разложимости неоднозначность, двусмысленность и многоуровневость современного романа.
Наверное, поэтому "Дракула" и не пошёл :-D Вообще да, только неоднозначная история может по-настоящему затронуть :sunny: , хотя все они так или иначе сводятся к пути героя к обретению чего-нибудь, и чем сложнее определить, что есть это "что-нибудь", ИМХО, тем интереснее :rotate:

а также с теорией А.Н. Веселовского
:susp: А это было о чём? :shy: :shuffle2:

Это ли не прекрасно
Это гениально :-D :-D Да и сам Холмс считал кокаин чуть ли не неотъемлемой частью своего мыслительного процесса :rotate:

2011-05-29 в 23:12 

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Очень хорошая вещь :yes:
Я запомню твою рекомендацию :sunny:

хотя все они так или иначе сводятся к пути героя к обретению чего-нибудь
Это вовсе не обязательное условие в современной литературе :) Это может быть как обретение, так и потеря или же необретение, то есть отсутствие качественного перехода на любой иной уровень отношений с миром.

А это было о чём? :shy: :shuffle2:
Та часть его трудов, которую я имею в виду, была примерно о том же, о чем теория Проппа :) Наиболее ясно она отражена в его "Поэтике сюжетов", где разлагаются на составляющие сюжеты в их историческом развитии.

Да и сам Холмс считал кокаин чуть ли не неотъемлемой частью своего мыслительного процесса :rotate:
Да, это была важная часть :) С этой точки зрения ещё более увлекательно наблюдать за сценой drugs bust в "Шерлоке".

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2011-05-31 в 04:27 

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Я запомню твою рекомендацию
Ага, а сейчас ко мне ещё Моффат с Гэтиссом присоединятся :yes: :sunny: Вообще, в этих фильмах от оригинальных сюжетов осталось мало, но от этого не менее интересно))) А ещё мне показалось, что Мориарти там немного... опереточный что ли (если это определение подходит :gigi: ), но его довольно много :rotate:

Это вовсе не обязательное условие в современной литературе Это может быть как обретение, так и потеря или же необретение, то есть отсутствие качественного перехода на любой иной уровень отношений с миром.
:yes: Но мой глюк состоит в том, что путь не пройденный есть всё же путь, нечто необретённое есть всё же нечто, и судить об этом надо по собственным меркам этих не-вещей. Пусть герой ничего не находит, никуда не движется, но мы-то видим, что он мог бы найти, но не нашёл, какой путь он мог бы пройти, но не прошёл... и в конце концов не для него всё это пишется, а для нас, для тех, кто читает :rotate:
Нет, я понимаю, что и свинье можно пришить голову осла, но в своё оправдание скажу только, что это, скорее всего, последствия самоанализа :mosk: And no, I'm not drunk :alles:

Та часть его трудов, которую я имею в виду, была примерно о том же, о чем теория Проппа Наиболее ясно она отражена в его "Поэтике сюжетов", где разлагаются на составляющие сюжеты в их историческом развитии.
ОК, посмотрим :rotate:

Да, это была важная часть С этой точки зрения ещё более увлекательно наблюдать за сценой drugs bust в "Шерлоке".
В смысле, бедный Шерлок, у которого сначала всё отобрали, а потом требуют результата? :-D

2011-05-31 в 21:34 

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Ага, а сейчас ко мне ещё Моффат с Гэтиссом присоединятся :yes: :sunny:
Да, они бы присоединились :cheek:
Переиначивание оригинальных сюжетов меня ничуть не смущает ))) Напротив, всякая добуквенная экранизация чего бы то ни было скучна своей щепетильностью.

путь не пройденный есть всё же путь, нечто необретённое есть всё же нечто, и судить об этом надо по собственным меркам этих не-вещей. Пусть герой ничего не находит, никуда не движется, но мы-то видим, что он мог бы найти, но не нашёл, какой путь он мог бы пройти, но не прошёл...
С точки зрения читателя - безусловно, история о необретении, о вещах несбывшихся, но возможных, тоже есть история, наполненная значением не менее - а порой и более - чем история, где приобретение и выход на новый уровень бесспорны и явны. Такая история - лента Мёбиуса, где после долгого пути вместе с персонажами, читатель, перелистывая последнюю страницу, склеивает концы и приходит в исходную точку с совсем другой стороны.

And no, I'm not drunk :alles:
As for me, you give an impression of a perfectly sober person :)

В смысле, бедный Шерлок, у которого сначала всё отобрали, а потом требуют результата? :-D
Да, примерно так :-D Шерлок, имеющий в качестве стимуляторов исключительно никотиновые пластыри, да ещё и преследуемый полицией - которой он помогает - за то, чего он не хранит дома: so ridiculous, so touching.

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2011-05-31 в 22:27 

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Напротив, всякая добуквенная экранизация чего бы то ни было скучна своей щепетильностью.
:friend2: Где-то в этом для меня и кроется проблема экранизации с Брэттом — уж больно они старались :crznope:

С точки зрения читателя - безусловно, история о необретении, о вещах несбывшихся, но возможных, тоже есть история, наполненная значением не менее - а порой и более - чем история, где приобретение и выход на новый уровень бесспорны и явны. Такая история - лента Мёбиуса, где после долгого пути вместе с персонажами, читатель, перелистывая последнюю страницу, склеивает концы и приходит в исходную точку с совсем другой стороны.
:yes: Иногда вещи с этой точки даже видятся лучше :rotate:

As for me, you give an impression of a perfectly sober person
Hope so, I had doubts :gigi:

Шерлок, имеющий в качестве стимуляторов исключительно никотиновые пластыри, да ещё и преследуемый полицией - которой он помогает - за то, чего он не хранит дома: so ridiculous, so touching.
Хе, и бедная полиция, которой сначала обещали помочь, а потом сбежали, да ещё и улики прихватили :yes: :-D

2011-05-31 в 22:58 

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Где-то в этом для меня и кроется проблема экранизации с Брэттом — уж больно они старались :crznope:
:yes: У этой экранизации есть свой ритм и свой стиль. И, безусловно, отлично подобраны актеры на главные роли. Но для меня она слишком... добротна.

Иногда вещи с этой точки даже видятся лучше :rotate:
Они и должны видеться лучше с этой точки зрения, ИМХО. Если персонаж в итоге понимает в происходящем больше читателя, значит, в девяноста процентах случаев, с текстом что-то не то.

Hope so, I had doubts :gigi:
To have doubts - it's fine, by the way :cheek:

Хе, и бедная полиция, которой сначала обещали помочь, а потом сбежали, да ещё и улики прихватили :yes: :-D
Если жалеть, то всех :cheek: Бедный Джон, который так не хотел верить самой вероятности того, что Шерлок может быть хоть как-то связан с наркотиками. Don't make people into heroes, John, they will disappoint you.

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2011-06-01 в 22:33 

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У этой экранизации есть свой ритм и свой стиль. И, безусловно, отлично подобраны актеры на главные роли. Но для меня она слишком... добротна.
А Брэтт словно старается не быть той машиной, которой был Холмс (хотя не "словно", ему и правда это доставляло головную боль), отчего выглядит слегка натужно (и это уже не объясняется новой регенерацией :gigi: ).; хотя не любить его сложно, он замечательный Холмс :sunny: Почему мне и нравится наш Холмс: он предельно расслаблен :cool: :-D (Про Бена даже говорить не хочу: я не знаю, где они его достали :nechto: :heart: )

Они и должны видеться лучше с этой точки зрения, ИМХО. Если персонаж в итоге понимает в происходящем больше читателя, значит, в девяноста процентах случаев, с текстом что-то не то.
Да-а, как-то даже радостно, что существуют определённые правила, по которым тексты могут функционировать)))

To have doubts - it's fine, by the way
Well, the only thing I was drinking was tea, but I thought that my words were a bit suspicious anyway :-D

Если жалеть, то всех
:yes: Салли, Андерсона, китайцев, которым Шерлок из стремления к правде испортил жёлтой краской зеркало в гримёрке... :remont: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Бедный Джон, который так не хотел верить самой вероятности того, что Шерлок может быть хоть как-то связан с наркотиками. Don't make people into heroes, John, they will disappoint you.
Хе, а Джон сказки любит и даже хочет в них верить :) ; а Шерлок... Шерлок их помнит и в глубине души лелеет то, что ему когда-то читали; а Джим никогда о такой вещи и не слышал, а если и слышал, то краем уха, да и то тут же отмахнулся :-D

2011-06-01 в 23:21 

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А Брэтт словно старается не быть той машиной, которой был Холмс (хотя не "словно", ему и правда это доставляло головную боль)
Да, возможно, дело в этом. По словам самого Бретта, он никогда не мог как следует вжиться в роль Холмса - его персонаж всегда был на шаг впереди. Фанаты с ним не согласны, но тем не менее )

(Про Бена даже говорить не хочу: я не знаю, где они его достали :nechto: :heart: )
В Стране чудес :cheek:

Well, the only thing I was drinking was tea, but I thought that my words were a bit suspicious anyway :-D
I personally wouldn't bring out any suspicions, after all our talks full of much more weird statements and queer logical assumptions :rotate:

Салли, Андерсона, китайцев, которым Шерлок из стремления к правде испортил жёлтой краской зеркало в гримёрке... :remont: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Китайцев действительно жалко :-D В особенности после той потрясающей наивности, которую они проявили, перепутав Джона с Шерлоком.

а Джон сказки любит и даже хочет в них верить :) ; а Шерлок... Шерлок их помнит и в глубине души лелеет то, что ему когда-то читали; а Джим никогда о такой вещи и не слышал, а если и слышал, то краем уха, да и то тут же отмахнулся :-D
Сравнительный анализ персонажей по отношению к сказкам? :cheek: В таком случае, неохваченным остался Майкрофт.
Полагаю, он имеет к сказкам иное отношение, нежели остальные - если им сказки читали, то Майкрофт - именно тот, кто их рассказывает. Скромный Оле-Лукойе, занимающий незначительную позицию в британском правительстве.
Упрочить эту трактовку можно фактом извне собственно сериального пространства - кто, как не Гэтисс, рассказывает нам те истории, которым мы посвящаем вечера уже несколько месяцев :rotate:

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2011-06-02 в 00:25 

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Да, возможно, дело в этом. По словам самого Бретта, он никогда не мог как следует вжиться в роль Холмса - его персонаж всегда был на шаг впереди. Фанаты с ним не согласны, но тем не менее )
Он получался душевнее и эмоциональнее, чем в рассказах, а ему, видимо, хотелось достоверности :sunny: Но ничего плохого в эмоциональном (не сильно эмоциональном, правда) Холмсе нет, потому что даже доктор иногда сомневался в его "машинности" :yes:

В Стране чудес
Это самое вероятное объяснение, коллега :umnik: :super: :laugh:

I personally wouldn't bring out any suspicions, after all our talks full of much more weird statements and queer logical assumptions
*remembers the two months long mortson discussion* Ye-e-e-e-eah :buh: :crzbayan: And I'm afraid there are people who read this stuff — poor people :laugh:

Китайцев действительно жалко В особенности после той потрясающей наивности, которую они проявили, перепутав Джона с Шерлоком.
Ага, а потом их ещё и поубивали — не очень удачный визит в Лондон :lalala:

Сравнительный анализ персонажей по отношению к сказкам?
:D Хорошее упражнение, иногда помогает разобраться сразу в нескольких персонажах :yogi:

В таком случае, неохваченным остался Майкрофт. Полагаю, он имеет к сказкам иное отношение, нежели остальные - если им сказки читали, то Майкрофт - именно тот, кто их рассказывает. Скромный Оле-Лукойе, занимающий незначительную позицию в британском правительстве.
Майкрофт, наверное, знает, что сказки — ложь, немного печалится по этому поводу, но в остальных продолжает поддерживать веру — на всякий случай ;-) :-D

кто, как не Гэтисс, рассказывает нам те истории, которым мы посвящаем вечера уже несколько месяцев
(Моффат? :gigi: Хотя этот сериал есть настоящий и неподдельный гэтиссомоффат — их разделить сложно :sunny: ) Вообще, это вопрос вопросов: сколько Марка в Майкрофте, и сколько Майкрофта в Марке :lol:

2011-06-02 в 08:33 

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*remembers the two months long mortson discussion* Ye-e-e-e-eah And I'm afraid there are people who read this stuff — poor people
а вот и не правда :tease4: я за дискуссией следила, как за обновлениями макси-фика))

простите, что так вот влезаю, но не удержалась))

2011-06-02 в 13:12 

EffieL
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а вот и не правда я за дискуссией следила, как за обновлениями макси-фика))
:-D :-D :-D Ну, значит, ты тоже на этой траве сидишь :crzdance:

2011-06-02 в 13:20 

Lucifer is my pet
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EffieL я свою траву тихо косячками в уголке курила, никого не трогала, а вы праздник настоящий устроили из этого всего :crzgirls:

2011-06-02 в 13:37 

EffieL
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я свою траву тихо косячками в уголке курила, никого не трогала, а вы праздник настоящий устроили из этого всего
А мы так подошли тихо, посмотрели, что за трава, решили, что "Чё-то мало косячками-то!" и притащили откуда-то мешок :alles: :alles: :alles: А откуда мы мешок притащили, интересно? :thnk: :lol: :lol: :lol:

2011-06-02 в 19:06 

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EffieL
Но ничего плохого в эмоциональном (не сильно эмоциональном, правда) Холмсе нет, потому что даже доктор иногда сомневался в его "машинности" :yes:
Эмоциональность того, кто мыслит быстро и безупречно, подобно машине, - это то, пожалуй, что привлекает меня в образе Шерлока Холмса как такового :) Его способы воспринимать и обрабатывать информацию иные, нежели у прочих, и его эмоциональные реакции, которыми неизбежно окрашены контакты человека с миром, должны быть также иными. Какими именно - нам частично показано, частично мы додумываем сами.

Это самое вероятное объяснение, коллега
:friend2: :sunny:

*remembers the two months long mortson discussion* Ye-e-e-e-eah :buh: :crzbayan: And I'm afraid there are people who read this stuff — poor people :laugh:
That discussion was really fascinating and compelling like a long piece of fiction written together, full of twists of plot, deep psychological colouring and awful lots of fun :sunny: :heart:
You see, people don't think they should be considered poor ))) That's for the better, I reckon :)

Хорошее упражнение, иногда помогает разобраться сразу в нескольких персонажах :yogi:
:yes: В качестве предмета фокусировки может выступить что угодно.

Майкрофт, наверное, знает, что сказки — ложь, немного печалится по этому поводу, но в остальных продолжает поддерживать веру — на всякий случай ;-) :-D
Особенно в Шерлоке :)

Вообще, это вопрос вопросов: сколько Марка в Майкрофте, и сколько Майкрофта в Марке :lol:
Это звучит почти неприлично :-D

А откуда мы мешок притащили, интересно? :thnk: :lol:
Из лесу, вестимо
Прости, я не могла удержаться :)

Lucifer is my pet
а вот и не правда :tease4: я за дискуссией следила, как за обновлениями макси-фика))
Мы будем иметь это в виду, продолжая наши бесконечные дискуссии ))))

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2011-06-02 в 22:32 

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Эмоциональность того, кто мыслит быстро и безупречно, подобно машине, - это то, пожалуй, что привлекает меня в образе Шерлока Холмса как такового Его способы воспринимать и обрабатывать информацию иные, нежели у прочих, и его эмоциональные реакции, которыми неизбежно окрашены контакты человека с миром, должны быть также иными. Какими именно - нам частично показано, частично мы додумываем сами.
ИМХО, зачастую у людей, чей ум острый как лезвие бритвы, сердце оказывается необыкновенно мягким. Если оно "выживает", то человек оказывается в глубине души очень чувствительным, как в случае с Шерлоком; а если оно каким-то образом подавляется, то мы наблюдаем голые принципы и цели, ничем не сдерживаемые, как в случае с Джимом :hmm: Но это не имеет никакого отношения к эмоциям, которые лежат либо глубоко, либо на поверхности, хотя подобное состояние сердца на них, конечно, влияет)) Вполне возможно, что замечательные способности анализировать окружающий мир полностью отходят уму, а сердце остаётся без "средств к существованию" :rotate:

That discussion was really fascinating and compelling like a long piece of fiction written together, full of twists of plot, deep psychological colouring and awful lots of fun
:yes: And it kind of proved to me that you never know what awaits you round the perfectly ordinary-looking corner :heart: :heart: :heart: :dance2:

You see, people don't think they should be considered poor ))) That's for the better, I reckon
Well, it doesn't do us any harm, so maybe it won't harm those who don't want it either :rotate:


Особенно в Шерлоке
:yes: И в случае с Шерлоком это бескорыстно... наверное :gigi:

Это звучит почти неприлично
Ну-у-у, каждый видит то, что хочет :smirk: :lol:

Из лесу, вестимо
:-D А-а, точно :yes: , там что-то хрустело :-D :-D :-D

2011-06-02 в 23:04 

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Но это не имеет никакого отношения к эмоциям, которые лежат либо глубоко, либо на поверхности, хотя подобное состояние сердца на них, конечно, влияет))
Человеческий способ воспринимать мир глубоко субъективен и пропитан эмоциями, которые мы не осознаём :) Они формируются на основе предыдущего опыта и текущих социального статуса, религиозных убеждений, профессиональных деформаций, (и т.д.) человека. Холмс любой версии обладает уникальными условиями, более чем достаточными для того, чтобы его эмоции, в основе своей те же, что и у остальных - проявлялись иначе. Острее и ярче. И нестандартно )

And it kind of proved to me that you never know what awaits you round the perfectly ordinary-looking corner :heart: :heart: :heart: :dance2:
And this is what is truly amazing about life, isn't it :heart: :kiss:

Well, it doesn't do us any harm
Certainly not ))) Actually, it helps to rearrange things inside my head :)

И в случае с Шерлоком это бескорыстно... наверное :gigi:
Скорее всего, бескорыстно. В порядке исключения из правила :)

Ну-у-у, каждый видит то, что хочет :smirk: :lol:
В таком случае, я представлю себе пейринг Марк/Майкрофт. Я действительно хочу это увидеть ))))

А-а, точно :yes: , там что-то хрустело :-D :-D :-D
Ветки под ногами? :-D

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2011-06-03 в 15:11 

EffieL
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Холмс любой версии обладает уникальными условиями, более чем достаточными для того, чтобы его эмоции, в основе своей те же, что и у остальных - проявлялись иначе. Острее и ярче. И нестандартно )
И такое ощущение, что в каждой интерпретации эти условия совершенно особые, оттого разные и Холмсы :-D

And this is what is truly amazing about life, isn't it
Yeah, I guess so :rotate:

Certainly not ))) Actually, it helps to rearrange things inside my head
Well, a good discussion can absolutely help you understand how you look at things :D :dance2:


В таком случае, я представлю себе пейринг Марк/Майкрофт. Я действительно хочу это увидеть ))))
Боже, это было бы феерично :buh: :lol: Вряд ли бы Марк этого хотел: он Майкрофта знает лучше нас всех :-D

Ветки под ногами?
Или мозги :mosk: :-D

2011-06-03 в 20:45 

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И такое ощущение, что в каждой интерпретации эти условия совершенно особые, оттого разные и Холмсы :-D
Вполне возможно :) Условия из прошлого, то, что называется в английском preconditions, - их каждый выводит сам для себя, поскольку Конан-Дойль их не осветил.

Well, a good discussion can absolutely help you understand how you look at things :D
A good discussion is Christmas :-D Although it's a bit scary sometimes - to suddenly get everything in your head sorted out.


Боже, это было бы феерично :buh: :lol: Вряд ли бы Марк этого хотел: он Майкрофта знает лучше нас всех :-D
Мнение Марка нас в данном случае не очень интересует ))))

Или мозги :mosk: :-D
Чьи? )))

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2011-06-03 в 22:01 

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Вполне возможно Условия из прошлого, то, что называется в английском preconditions, - их каждый выводит сам для себя, поскольку Конан-Дойль их не осветил.
Или не выводит, и тогда выходит разное... :buh: Но не обязательно, наверное, плохое :hmm: :-D

Although it's a bit scary sometimes - to suddenly get everything in your head sorted out.
"Hey! Who cleaned this all up?! There'd been wonderful mess! I loved it..." :-D :-D :-D


Мнение Марка нас в данном случае не очень интересует ))))
Наверное, после слов "Стоп! Снято. Всем спасибо" его мнение действительно уже никого не волнует :gigi:

Чьи? )))
Не знаю. Может, тех у кого мы мешок стащили? :laugh:

2011-06-03 в 22:23 

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Или не выводит, и тогда выходит разное... :buh: Но не обязательно, наверное, плохое :hmm: :-D
Или не выводит :yes: Тогда получается любопытно.

"Hey! Who cleaned this all up?! There'd been wonderful mess! I loved it..." :-D :-D :-D
Alas! it's too late to reproach anyone :-D

Наверное, после слов "Стоп! Снято. Всем спасибо" его мнение действительно уже никого не волнует :gigi:
После этих слов то, что он создал, начинает жить собственной жизнью :cheek:

Может, тех у кого мы мешок стащили? :laugh:
Мы стащили его в лесу. Стало быть, мозги принадлежат неким существам, проживающим в лесу / оказавшимся в лесу в то время, когда нам срочно понадобился мешок вместе с его сомнительным с точки зрения закона содержимым :rotate: Разброс весьма велик - мы могли ограбить случайных туристов, а могли и одинокого йети :cheek:

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2011-06-04 в 03:09 

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Или не выводит Тогда получается любопытно.
:-D "Любопытно" — это оно самое, да :lol:

После этих слов то, что он создал, начинает жить собственной жизнью
Волшебные слова, подпитываемые фандомной магией :laugh:

Мы стащили его в лесу. Стало быть, мозги принадлежат неким существам, проживающим в лесу / оказавшимся в лесу в то время, когда нам срочно понадобился мешок вместе с его сомнительным с точки зрения закона содержимым Разброс весьма велик - мы могли ограбить случайных туристов, а могли и одинокого йети
У йети есть трава?! А, ну да, теперь уже была, наверное :laugh:
Смотря, что ты видела по пути (мы же с разных сторон к мешку шли :yes: ), я вроде припоминаю костёр... :hmm:
:evil:

2011-06-04 в 18:47 

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Волшебные слова, подпитываемые фандомной магией :laugh:
О да, фандомная магия может практически всё :rotate :

У йети есть трава?!
Если ты одинокий йети, почему бы тебе не развлекаться время от времени безобидно выглядящей травой? :cheek:

А, ну да, теперь уже была, наверное :laugh:
Совершенно верно :-D

Смотря, что ты видела по пути (мы же с разных сторон к мешку шли :yes: ), я вроде припоминаю костёр... :hmm:
Кажется, я видела белку, упорно пытающуюся разорвать пакет с орешками ))) Должно быть, это всё же были туристы :rotate: Хотя, судя по количеству потребленной нами травы, мы могли обокрасть всех, а не кого-то одного ))))

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2011-06-04 в 19:51 

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Если ты одинокий йети, почему бы тебе не развлекаться время от времени безобидно выглядящей травой?
А действительно! :yes: Особенно если он в эти леса забрёл случайно :rotate:

Хотя, судя по количеству потребленной нами травы, мы могли обокрасть всех, а не кого-то одного ))))
Возможно, мы подумали, что вдвоём унесём больше, и решили не мелочиться :yes:

2011-06-04 в 20:02 

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Особенно если он в эти леса забрёл случайно :rotate:
Одиночество подействовало на него угнетающе, и ему захотелось развлечься :cheek:

Возможно, мы подумали, что вдвоём унесём больше, и решили не мелочиться :yes:
Налицо выгода от работы в команде :rotate:

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2011-06-04 в 21:56 

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Одиночество подействовало на него угнетающе, и ему захотелось развлечься
Наверное)) И может, ему подсознательно захотелось слэша, вот он и ушёл его искать :hmm: Помнишь, ты видела белку? Так вот, это точно была особая, слэшная белка, которая водится в особых, слэшных лесах :yes: ... О, Боже, это, наверное, хорошо, что те туристы стёрлись из моей памяти)) :nea: :buh:

Налицо выгода от работы в команде
Точно :buddy:

2011-06-04 в 22:20 

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Так вот, это точно была особая, слэшная белка, которая водится в особых, слэшных лесах :yes:
Слэшный йети, слэшный лес, слэшные белки... Мы с тобой добываем траву в очень экзотических местах :cheek:

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2011-06-04 в 22:31 

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Слэшный йети, слэшный лес, слэшные белки... Мы с тобой добываем траву в очень экзотических местах
А то :cool:
Да и где ещё у нас в стране водится слэш? Только в лесах :gigi:

2011-06-04 в 22:54 

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Слэш, белки, йети, партизане - леса Российской Федерации очень густо населены :-D

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2011-06-04 в 23:23 

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Слэш, белки, йети, партизане - леса Российской Федерации очень густо населены
:yes: Собирать грибы надо о-о-очень осторожно :yes: :evil:

2011-06-04 в 23:27 

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О, к траве мы добавляем грибы? ))))

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2011-06-05 в 00:12 

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О, к траве мы добавляем грибы? ))))
Ага, и ягоды :yes: :hash3: :hash2:

2011-06-05 в 18:42 

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Ага, и ягоды :yes: :hash3: :hash2:
Я начинаю ощущать себя Шерлоком в дни его предположительно бурной юности, наполненной различного рода наркотическими веществами :cheek:

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2011-06-06 в 15:36 

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Я начинаю ощущать себя Шерлоком в дни его предположительно бурной юности, наполненной различного рода наркотическими веществами
:-D Загрузился — и навстречу новому и неизведанному :hash2:

2011-06-06 в 19:10 

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Загрузился — и навстречу новому и неизведанному :hash2:
Если загрузиться как следует, то новое и неизведанное не заставит себя ждать :cheek:

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2011-06-06 в 20:02 

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Если загрузиться как следует, то новое и неизведанное не заставит себя ждать
Так оно, собственно говоря, уже здесь :-D :crzbayan:

2011-06-06 в 20:17 

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Кстати. ИМХО, дата и сроки нового похода за травой (про запас/просто так) определены :yes:

2011-06-06 в 21:01 

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Так оно, собственно говоря, уже здесь :-D :crzbayan:
И это прекрасно :sunny:

ИМХО, дата и сроки нового похода за травой (про запас/просто так) определены
Да, я уже знаю :) По всей видимости, это будут очень продуктивные дни )))

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2011-06-06 в 21:17 

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И это прекрасно
:yes: :sunny:

По всей видимости, это будут очень продуктивные дни )))
:hmm: Будем надеяться :rotate:

2011-06-06 в 21:19 

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Возможно, я начну давно запланированные тексты, оказавшись в отрыве от дайри.ру :) Это будет, без сомнения, продуктивно.

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2011-06-06 в 21:44 

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Возможно, я начну давно запланированные тексты, оказавшись в отрыве от дайри.ру Это будет, без сомнения, продуктивно.
Может, и я сделаю что-то подобное (в моём случае "может" — слово ключевое :facepalm3: :-D)

2011-06-06 в 22:10 

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Я полагаю, это слово ключевое для всех :cheek: В любом случае, легче будет найти время для того, чтобы хотя бы просто выспаться.

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2011-06-06 в 22:15 

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В любом случае, легче будет найти время для того, чтобы хотя бы просто выспаться.
Да, наверное, время встанет немного на своё место :rotate:

2011-06-06 в 22:27 

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Да, это было бы очень мило с его стороны :)

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2011-06-06 в 23:14 

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Да, это было бы очень мило с его стороны
Да уж :rotate:
У тебя в реале ещё завал?)

2011-06-07 в 00:28 

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Пока да. Но после девятого числа должно стать немного легче; в крайнем случае, после семнадцатого.

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2011-06-07 в 00:42 

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Пока да. Но после девятого числа должно стать немного легче; в крайнем случае, после семнадцатого.
... а в самом крайнем случае... :-D Значит, и правда, дайри во время отключают — точно выспишься :yes:

2011-06-07 в 00:47 

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Нет, семнадцатое и есть самый крайний срок :)

точно выспишься
Если не поддамся соблазну начать смотреть "Доктора Кто" до девятого/семнадцатого :rotate:

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2011-06-07 в 01:00 

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Если не поддамся соблазну начать смотреть "Доктора Кто" до девятого/семнадцатого
А-а, но ты столько держалась :D
"Работа — и пусть весь мир подождёт": пусть уже кто-нибудь воплотит в жизнь этот девиз :lalala: :jump3:

2011-06-07 в 01:48 

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А-а, но ты столько держалась :D
И продолжаю держаться :-D

Oh, I'm so-o-o-o-o bad :smirk: :evil:
You are a devil in the flesh, my dear :heart:

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2011-06-07 в 20:02 

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И продолжаю держаться
Гы, молодец :white:

You are a devil in the flesh, my dear
Well, yeah, I suppose I am, after all my father has been called an angel at some point :lol: :lol: :lol:

2011-06-07 в 20:35 

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Well, yeah, I suppose I am, after all my father has been called an angel at some point :lol: :lol: :lol:
Where did you take the devil blood in your veins from then? :-D

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2011-06-07 в 22:15 

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Where did you take the devil blood in your veins from then?
Maybe there's no difference between angels' and devil's blood, or maybe I'm a black sheep :sheep: :-D

2011-06-07 в 22:30 

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This is quite a philosophic statement - about the difference in angels' and devils' blood. It needs to be thoroughly pondered ))))

p.s. Have you seen Lucifer is my pet's verses about us and our discussions? They are hilarious :-D

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2011-06-07 в 23:40 

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This is quite a philosophic statement - about the difference in angels' and devils' blood. It needs to be thoroughly pondered ))))
I see what you're thinking there and I warn you I know nothing about it — just pretending :smirk: :-D (Although, yeah, that's an interesting thing to ponder on :crzdance: )

p.s. Have you seen Lucifer is my pet's verses about us and our discussions? They are hilarious
:yes: They're great :heart: Obviously our conversations got themselves a fan, it's good that we don't need a dying taxi-driver to know who it is :-D :sunny:

2011-06-07 в 23:45 

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and I warn you I know nothing about it
Neither do I, but when such a minute detail ever stopped us ))))

Obviously our conversations got themselves a fan, it's good that we don't need a dying taxi-driver to know who it is :-D :sunny:
Well, it's surely good. In case one of us finds a pair of old shoes in a deserted room, we shall already know whom to address :-D

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2011-06-08 в 01:18 

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Neither do I, but when such a minute detail ever stopped us ))))
*evil laughter* Well, if you want to know, I got this idea from the fact that Lucifer aka the Devil was once an angel and I doubt that his DNA changed much after his way of life and residence had changed :-D It could have affected other imps and devils or it couldn't, or their reality really does not require them to be that different :rotate:

In case one of us finds a pair of old shoes in a deserted room, we shall already know whom to address
Yes, and ask whether she finally got too much and that's why she left so abruptly not having finished her tea, or she suddenly decided to go fetch some more grass (?) (I also found the word "chronic") :-D :-D :-D

2011-06-08 в 20:40 

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Well, if you want to know, I got this idea from the fact that Lucifer aka the Devil was once an angel and I doubt that his DNA changed much after his way of life and residence had changed
This is a dubious question, I believe since we don't know exactly what happened back then ))) But you've got a reason, though.

Yes, and ask whether she finally got too much and that's why she left so abruptly not having finished her tea, or she suddenly decided to go fetch some more grass
Let it be grass, why ever not :) Is she having tea while we're discussing this and that? Well, good it's not popcorn ))))

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2011-06-08 в 22:07 

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This is a dubious question, I believe since we don't know exactly what happened back then ))) But you've got a reason, though.
That is if they have DNA and physical form in general, but I suppose something should stand for it in their world))

Let it be grass, why ever not
Well, chronic is VERY good grass :break: , it may go in somewhere sometime, too :lol:


Is she having tea while we're discussing this and that? Well, good it's not popcorn ))))
I have no idea, I thought it's when we will have invited her to tea, but whatever :alles: And, by the way, I think tea can be quite a dangerous substance, too :yes: :laugh:

2011-06-08 в 22:21 

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That is if they have DNA and physical form in general, but I suppose something should stand for it in their world))
Somwthing should, I reckon. And this is something unimaginable for a human, we will hardly waste our time imagining unimaginable things and wiil thinj of it in terms more habitual to us :cheek:

Well, chronic is VERY good grass :break: , it may go in somewhere sometime, too :lol:
If we are looking for an exact word, let's use «marijuana» and be honest :-D


And, by the way, I think tea can be quite a dangerous substance, too :yes: :laugh:
Oh yes, the degree of tea danger depends on the leaves you use to make the forementioned tea ))))

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2011-06-08 в 23:33 

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Somwthing should, I reckon. And this is something unimaginable for a human, we will hardly waste our time imagining unimaginable things and wiil thinj of it in terms more habitual to us
Yeah, I doubt even physicists have such terms let alone us :rotate:

If we are looking for an exact word, let's use «marijuana» and be honest
But it's lo-o-ong :nail: :-D But nothing stops us from using all of them :crzdance:


Oh yes, the degree of tea danger depends on the leaves you use to make the forementioned tea ))))
Yes, that too and if it's us who make it... then tea has never been so dangerous :fls: :-D

2011-06-08 в 23:53 

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Yeah, I doubt even physicists have such terms let alone us :rotate:
:yes: To the idea of angels having humanlike DNA we stick, then :)

But nothing stops us from using all of them :crzdance:
You're right ))) There's also "cannabis", for instance, and lots of other words.


and if it's us who make it... then tea has never been so dangerous :fls: :-D
You sound so smug saying this :-D

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2011-06-14 в 14:31 

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To the idea of angels having humanlike DNA we stick, then
Well, since we have no proof of the opposite... :evil: :-D

You're right ))) There's also "cannabis", for instance, and lots of other words.
Anyway, I miss it all :weep3: :squeeze:

You sound so smug saying this
That's probably because I am smug; it's cool to have good grass :lol:

2011-06-14 в 22:07 

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Well, since we have no proof of the opposite... :evil:
And if anyone thinks us wrong, they'd better prove their point, hadn't they? )))

Anyway, I miss it all :weep3: :squeeze:
Why miss it? We still have loads of this to consume together :cheek: :heart:

That's probably because I am smug; it's cool to have good grass :lol:
Being smug is also cool, yep :-D

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2011-06-14 в 22:32 

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And if anyone thinks us wrong, they'd better prove their point, hadn't they? )))
Yeah, let them try :smirk: :-D

Why miss it? We still have loads of this to consume together
We do, but nevertheless for now I'm still far away from a decent computer and a decent browser((( :alles:

Being smug is also cool, yep
:yes: ;-) Speaking about cool stuff...

2011-06-14 в 22:50 

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We do, but nevertheless for now I'm still far away from a decent computer and a decent browser((( :alles:
Oh, pity. Will it last for long, though?

Speaking about cool stuff, what about you and a certain "Doctor"?)) :eyebrow:
The 17th of the current month turns out to be the day after which I'll have more of free time, not the 9th :) After the forementioned date I shall start watching "a certain Doctor" right away (I'm rather tired of waiting by now).

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2011-06-16 в 20:34 

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Oh, pity. Will it last for long, though?
Till Sunday, perhaps :nope: But I will come back - that's certain :-D

The 17th of the current month turns out to be the day after which I'll have more of free time, not the 9th
*epic voice* June, 17: the Ultimate Deadline :rotate: :alles:

I'm rather tired of waiting by now
I can understand that (I, honestly, could understand it even better when "DW" was on :smirk: :) ). But soon the waiting will be over, you'll watch it, and I won't have to keep myself from tempting you :gigi: :evil:

2011-06-16 в 21:19 

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Till Sunday, perhaps :nope: But I will come back - that's certain :-D
I shall be awaiting that, then :cheek:

*epic voice* June, 17: the Ultimate Deadline :rotate: :alles:
Kinda that, yep )))) I don't know how long after I'll be able to relax a bit - maybe I'll have to leave for several weeks, maybe not. But till July - certainly, I will be having the Doctor watched and watched :-D

But soon the waiting will be over, you'll watch it, and I won't have to keep myself from tempting you :gigi: :evil:
Did you ever keep yourself from tempting me? I must have gotten distracted somehow, I didn't notice that :-D

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2011-06-16 в 21:38 

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I shall be awaiting that, then
:sunny:

I don't know how long after I'll be able to relax a bit - maybe I'll have to leave for several weeks, maybe not.
Leave what: the Internet or the work? :susp: :rotate:

But till July - certainly, I will be having the Doctor watched and watched
Don't get overloaded: it can make quite a mess in your head :yes: :gigi:

Did you ever keep yourself from tempting me? I must have gotten distracted somehow, I didn't notice that
Actually, I was succeeding in doing so, and what you saw were ve-e-e-ery tiny slips :yes: :smirk: :lol:

2011-06-16 в 21:56 

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Leave what: the Internet or the work? :susp: :rotate:
Well, the Internet, I guess :) IRL I'm quite a busy bee which is really annoying sometimes. But nothing's certain until the beginning of July.

Don't get overloaded: it can make quite a mess in your head :yes: :gigi:
The one thing I'm not afraid of ))) Once I'm in a state to collect information, I'm able to preliminarily sort it out without having a mess in my head and get a firmer grip on it later. Several years ago an acquaintance of mine compared this process - not so flatteringly - to that of a fed cow. You remember, cows swallow the grass at first and put it into one part of their four part stomach and awhile later they chew it and put already into another part. Like that. No mess whatsoever.

Actually, I was succeeding in doing so, and what you saw were ve-e-e-ery tiny slips :yes: :smirk: :lol:
O-oh, I'm untrigued now :cheek: Thrilled to see what you have in mind to tempt me ))))

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2011-06-17 в 14:08 

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Well, the Internet, I guess IRL I'm quite a busy bee which is really annoying sometimes. But nothing's certain until the beginning of July.
Nah, that is sad(( No time to waste then?)) ;-)

Once I'm in a state to collect information, I'm able to preliminarily sort it out without having a mess in my head and get a firmer grip on it later. Several years ago an acquaintance of mine compared this process - not so flatteringly - to that of a fed cow. You remember, cows swallow the grass at first and put it into one part of their four part stomach and awhile later they chew it and put already into another part. Like that. No mess whatsoever.
Wow, Sherlock is jealous now :-D Interesting comparison: what is brainwork if not a digestion of information :rotate: :hmm: A useful thing :D

O-oh, I'm untrigued now Thrilled to see what you have in mind to tempt me ))))
We-e-ell, there are different things one can do, like expressing one's feelings towards an episode (using emotional, colourful and obscure phrases) - all that stuff, you know :smirk: :gigi:

2011-06-18 в 19:34 

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No time to waste then?)) ;-)
Well, I'm not wasting any :cheek: I've watched four first eposodes of the first season so far.

Wow, Sherlock is jealous now :-D Interesting comparison: what is brainwork if not a digestion of information :rotate: :hmm:
Sherlock is miles and miles ahead of me in gathering and digesting information )))) I guess, this is a true comparison, that's why I recited it :)

We-e-ell, there are different things one can do, like expressing one's feelings towards an episode (using emotional, colourful and obscure phrases) - all that stuff, you know :smirk: :gigi:
By now I don't really feel the need to use emotional, colourful and obscene - you meant this word, not "obscure", right? - phrases. Well, what concerns feelings - I see the Eccleston's Doctor, and I'm so sorry for him. The war, the pain, the loneliness are written all over his rough face in huge bold letters. I'm quite charmed by watching him and comparing the picture with the things I got to know before watching; but the information I'm getting is not chewed yet.

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I've watched four first eposodes of the first season so far.
Hm-m)) Did you like the Dalek?) A charming creature :sunny: :heart: :alles:

Sherlock is miles and miles ahead of me in gathering and digesting information ))))
Well, you know better :rotate: It's still very useful :yes: ; maybe I'm jealous, a bit... probably :evil:

and obscene - you meant this word, not "obscure", right?
Nope)) I meant "something unclear and mysterious that can fuel the curiosity" - "obscure" might not be the right word, yeah, couldn't find anything better at the moment :crazy:

Well, what concerns feelings - I see the Eccleston's Doctor, and I'm so sorry for him. The war, the pain, the loneliness are written all over his rough face in huge bold letters.
:yes: Maybe that's why he chose Rose - he needed someone so very different from what he was :nope:

I'm quite charmed by watching him and comparing the picture with the things I got to know before watching;
"Charmed" is the very word :friend: :heart: :heart: :heart:

2011-06-19 в 18:41 

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Did you like the Dalek?) A charming creature :sunny: :heart: :alles:
He has a certain clumsy kind of charm :) As well as his whole race. I've watched so far the first season, "Children In Need" and "Christmas Invasion", so I saw a lot of Daleks together.

It's still very useful :yes: ; maybe I'm jealous, a bit... probably :evil:
Don't be jealous, it's just the way we are. We are different. No good if everyone's like, I assure you )

Nope)) I meant "something unclear and mysterious that can fuel the curiosity"
Sorry then, I must have got you wrong :)

Maybe that's why he chose Rose - he needed someone so very different from what he was :nope:
I guess, that is why, yes. Although it's a pretty useless thing to do, and sometimes - at his most vulnerable moments - he understands that. When Rose broke the time to save her father, he says: I picked again another stupid ape. And when he lies unconscious after the regeneration, Rose says to Jackie: I keep forgetting he's not human.
This is it for me. She can't be compared to him, all she can is love him in her selfish and careless, so very human way. He takes the love and gives her the whole Universe instead and tries to love her back as mich as he can, but he's a sapiens and she's an ape, and nothing can change that, and the Doctor bears more loneliness inside him than she can ever imagine.
You remember his happy face when Rose - with all the time-vortex energy from Tardis's heart inside her - says she can see everything that was, everything that is, everything that could ever be. He is radiant with happiness for a moment, he says: so can I, all the time! And he kisses her as his equal; kisses her deliberately to make her "an ape" again, otherwise she dies. And he tries to be human to stay with her - to get the illusion of love and peace that he wants so badly since Gallifrey was destroyed.
Watching "Doctor Who" is much more painful than I expected. The last of the Time Lords rips my heart and soul apart.

"Charmed" is the very word :friend: :heart: :heart: :heart:
Half charmed, half cursed - that's what I think now, having seen what I have seen :)

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2011-06-21 в 20:47 

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He has a certain clumsy kind of charm As well as his whole race. I've watched so far the first season, "Children In Need" and "Christmas Invasion", so I saw a lot of Daleks together.
And there'll be more, though not always this nice-looking :nerve: :alles:

Don't be jealous, it's just the way we are. We are different. No good if everyone's like, I assure you )
OK, I'm gonna shut up now :yes: :-D

Sorry then, I must have got you wrong
Well, obscene stuff can be interesting and tempting, but, IMHO, only with some special entourage, which I don't think I'm capable of creating :rotate: Obscure is more me, actually))

I guess, that is why, yes. Although it's a pretty useless thing to do, and sometimes - at his most vulnerable moments - he understands that. When Rose broke the time to save her father, he says: I picked again another stupid ape. And when he lies unconscious after the regeneration, Rose says to Jackie: I keep forgetting he's not human.
He takes the love and gives her the whole Universe instead and tries to love her back as mich as he can, but he's a sapiens and she's an ape, and nothing can change that, and the Doctor bears more loneliness inside him than she can ever imagine.
I guess, that's what he has to do now: pretend that it's enough, enough to have a laugh, to run with someone nice and in some ways "fantastic"; for a while it works but in the end he again has to talk to himself and it seems like there's no way out((
:hmm: If I'm not mistaken none of his companions did know what the Doctor was, what it was like to be him, all (especially the bad) that he had done — very probably because they would never be able to handle it, so for them he's some kind of a magician, I guess. So it's very easy to forget that "he's not human" — he himself wants them to think so (otherwise they with their human morals and "tiny minds" might just leave (well, you know, his own race turned it's back on him — anything's possible :plush: )) at the same time desperately— desiring for them to see him for who he is (there's one more tragedy for you :bang: ).

You remember his happy face when Rose - with all the time-vortex energy from Tardis's heart inside her - says she can see everything that was, everything that is, everything that could ever be. He is radiant with happiness for a moment, he says: so can I, all the time! And he kisses her as his equal;
Rewatched this part: yes, he does :rotate: He really, really aches for someone to understand him, to feel what he feels or who just knows how it is to know and feel it all and he's always so happy when he finds anyone capable of that (it can be seen very clearly in "The Girl in the Fireplace" (which you might have watched by now :-D ), for example).

And he tries to be human to stay with her - to get the illusion of love and peace that he wants so badly since Gallifrey was destroyed.
Ah, what an irony! He has always loved the human race and probably liked to pretend to be one of them (hence Mr. John Smith))), but now as his home is no more he has to pretend to be this way not to go mad :yes:

She can't be compared to him, all she can is love him in her selfish and careless, so very human way. He takes the love and gives her the whole Universe instead and tries to love her back as mich as he can, but he's a sapiens and she's an ape, and nothing can change that,
That (that "he's a sapiens and she's an ape") is a good comparison is why for me this pairing would never reach an OTP status :yes: The two might be kindred spirits or whatever people say about them, but humans (or aliens))), IMHO, are not just spirits, not just souls — they are much more complicated and, although equality is not necessary, intellectual difference still does matter. And here's a tragedy of my life — I can't go and tell that to people, 'cause if I do it would be the last thing I tell to them :bang: :hmm: a kind of spoiler

The last of the Time Lords rips my heart and soul apart.
That's why he's so good :heart: :sunny:

Half charmed, half cursed - that's what I think now, having seen what I have seen
Want more of the Ninth Doctor now?))) Eccleston is a Doctor in his own right — it's really next to impossible (or blasphemy))) to compare him with others, now that I think of it :sunny:

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And there'll be more, though not always this nice-looking :nerve: :alles:
I like them anyway. I'm not really fastidious, speaking of looks :)

he himself wants them to think so
He's good at self-deception and recovery, yes. He had 903 years to teach himself that.

it can be seen very clearly in "The Girl in the Fireplace" (which you might have watched by now :-D
I've seen it, actually. Poor madame de Pompadour. She met the one whom she could love, a perfect one for her; he met a truly smart woman, affectionate and loving and hot but the one who doesn't worship him - the one who understands. But she was human, and human are so weak and short-lived.

but now as his home is no more he has to pretend to be this way not to go mad :yes:
Well. can't say he didn't go mad anyway )))
I think, I'm trying to rediscover America here, being so elaborate and complicated. All that concerns the matter being discussed was already expressed by Moffat. You remember, he said: the Doctor is an angel who aspires to be human. The lonely angel who will never be a human even if he tries really hard (like with mr. John Smith, who was truly sweet and adorable but couldn't afford to last) This is pretty much it.

And here's a tragedy of my life — I can't go and tell that to people, 'cause if I do it would be the last thing I tell to them :bang: :hmm:
But why would you go and tell people that? Why not let them think whatever makes them happy and content?

you'll see her very soon
I have seen her, in the special Runaway Bride. She is sparkling with life, bursting with it - just like the Doctor, two never-ever stopping flames of energy.

That's why he's so good :heart: :sunny:
Oh yes. He's incredible :heart:

Want more of the Ninth Doctor now?)))
No :) He left when it was the time for him. And I still love Tennant better. He looks like he doesn't step upon the Earth, but flies, light like a bird - I can't take my eyes off him. That's a privilege of being really skinny, I guess )))

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I like them anyway. I'm not really fastidious, speaking of looks
But in Series 3 the creators are quite hard on them, poor creatures :-/ :yes:

Poor madame de Pompadour. She met the one whom she could love, a perfect one for her; he met a truly smart woman, affectionate and loving and hot but the one who doesn't worship him - the one who understands. But she was human, and human are so weak and short-lived.
And how he hoped to share his world with her(( And she believed in him till the very end, because inside his head she saw that he always comes when he promises, it's just that he is late sometimes.

Well. can't say he didn't go mad anyway )))
It's hard to disagree with you on that :-D Though I do wonder sometimes how much of his madness is just a mask))

But why would you go and tell people that? Why not let them think whatever makes them happy and content?
That would be cruel indeed)) But I think it's not the reason why I don't do that, the reason is that it's useless. And this uselessness, I guess, is what saddens me, for they will never see why for me it's not enough — makes me feel a bit cast out, actually :crznope:

like with mr. John Smith, who was truly sweet and adorable but couldn't afford to last)
By the way, how much have you watched already (I think I've lost you)? :rotate:

I have seen her, in the special Runaway Bride. She is sparkling with life, bursting with it - just like the Doctor, two never-ever stopping flames of energy.
Yeah :yes: If I'm not mistaken Russel Davies called her and the Doctor the best chaps ever or something like that, because with her the Doctor could relax at last after having quite tense relationships with two previous companions)))
IMHO, she can be quite annoying sometimes but she's the sort of person who makes you look past it :yes:

He left when it was the time for him.
May be :hmm: But I have a feeling that this incarnation's era was huge and we got to see only a tiny bit of it :nope: or in other worda, he's too charismatic for just one season :-D

That's a privilege of being really skinny, I guess )))
Perhaps))) No idea about it :laugh:

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But in Series 3 the creators are quite hard on them, poor creatures :-/ :yes:
I saw that :) Still I like them, whatever evolution they take upon.

it's just that he is late sometimes.
Most often he comes in time - when it concerns others' happyness, not his own.

Though I do wonder sometimes how much of his madness is just a mask))
And how much of it is not, yep.

That would be cruel indeed))
The cruel thing is to make everyone think like you do, as for me.
The Doctor wouldn't approve of that )))

By the way, how much have you watched already (I think I've lost you)? :rotate:
I've just finished 4[11, Turn Left. I'm doing it quick :)

If I'm not mistaken Russel Davies called her and the Doctor the best chaps ever or something like that, because with her the Doctor could relax at last after having quite tense relationships with two previous companions)))
Yes, it's like that. Donna makes life with her both truly complicated and unbelievably easy :cheek:

But I have a feeling that this incarnation's era was huge and we got to see only a tiny bit of it :nope:
Well, just like every incarnation's era. They all can be stretched right, left, up, down...

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2011-06-24 в 09:32 

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Оно прекрасно! Совершенно потрясающий ШерлокДжон.
Вы погладили мой личный кинк на тему терзаний по поводу возраста:inlove: Спасибо))

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I saw that Still I like them, whatever evolution they take upon.
I think it doesn't make like them less, but makes me wonder if they too have gone mad a little (well, their nation was also wiped out) :alles:

Most often he comes in time - when it concerns others' happyness, not his own.
Yes, otherwise noone would trust him and he wouldn't be the Doctor :sunny: Or is it the TARDIS that takes him "where he needs to go"? :hmm: :lol:

The cruel thing is to make everyone think like you do, as for me.
Well, you really do make me feel like an arch-villain trying to take over the world :-D I'm not gonna do that in the near future (breathe out, you are safe :-D ), I guess I just want someone to think like I do -- to feel human, and I want it to be genuine, otherwise it won't work) You know, I was asked — several times, actually — if it was important for me to be understood, and I didn't know what to say-- then, but now it turns out that it is and this importance it too huge, too horrible-- and too sick.

The Doctor wouldn't approve of that )))
Yeah, he wouldn't)) It's actually really amazing how he approaches anything new — with wonder and excitement, not fear, remember this "You're beautiful!"? Ah, amazing :sunny:

I've just finished 4[11, Turn Left. I'm doing it quick
:wow: Oh, yes, you ******* are :buh: :-D OK, then I have questions)) :smirk: :hmm: Let's talk about something positive :rotate:
Ah! "The Human Nature" two-parter, one of my favourites :heart: Doctor turns into a man completely different, yet it still is him, the original personality slips through the fake one, because, IMHO, you can't really "rewrite" yourself, just suppress or break, or invent. Or maybe the person he turned into was in fact him, but based on the part of him we never saw :rotate: So it kind of proves my point that the human!Doctor that Rose was left with at the end of season 4 could never really want to settle down, because the Doctor is not about the cells or number of hearts — he's about the mind, it's his restless mind that makes him run and never stop (and to me this is one of the (few though) facepalm fanservice moments in the show :alles: ).
And I don't agree with Joan Redfern (forgot it, had to look her name up :plush: ), the Doctor's refusal to turn back into John Smith wasn't a show of cowardice, it was quite the opposite :yes: Though he took her man away from her, she has every right to be a bit subjective here :gigi: :rotate:
A-a-a-and these episodes were also based on a book "Human Nature" by Paul Cornell and he adapted it himself though it featured another Doctor, and now I'm definitely gonna shut up :crzfan: :-D

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Благодарю :) Рада, что угадала с кинком )))

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I think it doesn't make like them less, but makes me wonder if they too have gone mad a little
Who hasn't done that, in the beautiful and crazy Whoniverse? :)

Yes, otherwise none would trust him and he wouldn't be the Doctor :sunny: Or is it the TARDIS that takes him "where he needs to go"? :hmm: :lol:
Well, after 6х04 I think it's TARDIS seeing to him coming in time anywhere ))) Especially considering the fact that he can barely rule the TARDIS who needs 6 pilots at once - and he always does it alone, except for the 4th series final Journey's End.

Well, you really do make me feel like an arch-villain trying to take over the world :-D
Not at all ))) I don't actually think you would harm someone. But the very concept of everyone having same opinions and views disgusts me.

It's actually really amazing how he approaches anything new — with wonder and excitement, not fear, remember this "You're beautiful!"?
Of course, I remember this feature of him, this everlasting love to any kind of living creature :heart: In moments of the kind he's worth every ounce of admiration that a viewer can master.

OK, then I have questions)) :smirk:
Ask anything you like :) I'm done with the newschool and am now watching Torchwood before turning to the oldschool, so feel free to discuss any event from the newschool :)

So it kind of proves my point that the human!Doctor that Rose was left with at the end of season 4 could never really want to settle down
I'm sure he won't be able to make it, too :yes: It doesn't matter how many hearts he has, they would still beat in accord with the rhitm of the universe, not a single human.
They both hope Rose would make the human!Doctor - the child of battle and aggression and anger - more soft and kind, less bitter and harsh. But she will hardly ever do that. If it were not for the regeneration process, she would hardly help the Doctor himself.

And I don't agree with Joan Redfern (forgot it, had to look her name up :plush: ), the Doctor's refusal to turn back into John Smith wasn't a show of cowardice, it was quite the opposite :yes:
Neither do I :) But she has a right to be cross and unfair, yeah.

A-a-a-and these episodes were also based on a book "Human Nature" by Paul Cornell
It's good :) Do you know, if I can download this book from somewhere? I could definitely do with some reading.

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It's good Do you know, if I can download this book from somewhere? I could definitely do with some reading.
www.4shared.com/document/UEu6IXQr/NA38_-_Human_...
PDF, has to work, tell me if doesn't ;-)
I'll get back soon — unfinished business :-D :shv:

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Thanks for the link, it's really nice of you :heart: Everything works just fine.

I shall be waiting :)

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Who hasn't done that, in the beautiful and crazy Whoniverse?
Oh, right, everybody's bonkers there :-D :-D And the Doctor is their leader... :alles:

But the very concept of everyone having same opinions and views disgusts me.
*remembers the cybermen and shudders* Yeah, especially when people very different from you prove to be the most interesting :yes:

In moments of the kind he's worth every ounce of admiration that a viewer can master.
"You're twice the man I thought you were" :yes: :sunny: Behind his frequent unwillingness to harm even his enemies there's not cowardice but a great heart(s ( :-D)) :heart:

I'm done with the newschool and am now watching Torchwood before turning to the oldschool
I haven't watched Torchwood, how is it?)) I read something that it wasn't that good at the beginning, but got better and better :rotate: I watched couple episodes of The Sarah Jane Adventures though (The Death of the Doctor featuring the 11th Doctor :-D) and got the opinion that this series are truly children-oriented :rotate: :hmm: The 10th Doctor was there too, in The Sarah Jane's Wedding (if I'm not wrong with the title), but that one I didn't see (though it's supposed to be cool :rotate: ).

If it were not for the regeneration process, she would hardly help the Doctor himself.
That's when she swallowed the time vortex? They were both very lucky then, yes)) And there enters deus ex machina — quite a trade mark of Russel Davies's era, although some call it a miracle :crznope:

Thanks for the link, it's really nice of you
You're welcome, and you did ask so... :shuffle2: :sunny:
Oh, by the way, Mark Gatiss's St Anthony's Fire (a DW novel too) should also be downloadable, you can look it up in the same place :rotate:

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Oh, right, everybody's bonkers there :-D :-D And the Doctor is their leader... :alles:
The king of nutters, isn't he? )))

*remembers the cybermen and shudders*
Well, the Daleks also seemed to have the same motive for their actions - they'd love to destroy everything that isn't Dalek, and that very concept they fondled from the very beginning of their existance, as far as I understood.

I haven't watched Torchwood, how is it?))
Oh, I loved it :) Although Torchwood, unlike Doctor Who, is for grown up audience only; there is sex, blood, undisguised cruelty there.
Russell T. Davies managed to create a new universe, closely related to that one of Doctor Who, but still different, oriented not to the Doctor but to Captain Jack as the main criterion of the atmosphere, if you see what I'm trying to say. I actually loved it, despite the darkness and gloominess (of the last season especially).

I watched couple episodes of The Sarah Jane Adventures though (The Death of the Doctor featuring the 11th Doctor :-D) and got the opinion that this series are truly children-oriented
Well, I shall see it for myself :) I'm watching the oldschool now, the First Doctor. Now that's truly children-oriented ))) Though it becomes more interesting as the time passes, and I learn new things about the Doctor's past from some casual phrases of his.

Oh, by the way, Mark Gatiss's St Anthony's Fire (a DW novel too) should also be downloadable, you can look it up in the same place :rotate:
I'll look for it, thank you for telling me :sunny:

Speaking about the Master...
Oh, this is gorgeous :-D

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The king of nutters, isn't he? )))
Almost his official title :-D

Well, the Daleks also seemed to have the same motive for their actions - they'd love to destroy everything that isn't Dalek, and that very concept they fondled from the very beginning of their existance, as far as I understood.
Yeah, that's the only goal in their lives — to destroy all non-Dalek life forms so the Dalek race should rule over the Universe (also the Sontarans have similar ideas :-D ) :nap:
It's just that I hate the cybermen, and I mean hate, to me they, not the Silence/angels/whatever, are the scariest monsters probably ever :aaa: God, tome everything about them is horrible from their blank, colourless exterior to the very concept of their emptiness, of people being deprived of their personalities, of everything human and alive being wiped out of them — now there's a real incentive to go and hide behind the sofa :yes: :aaa:

Russell T. Davies managed to create a new universe, closely related to that one of Doctor Who, but still different, oriented not to the Doctor but to Captain Jack as the main criterion of the atmosphere, if you see what I'm trying to say. I actually loved it, despite the darkness and gloominess (of the last season especially).
So, no mercy to the alien invaders? :rotate: Hm, "darkness and gloominess" actually sounds quite intriguing :lip: :hmm:

I'm watching the oldschool now, the First Doctor. Now that's truly children-oriented )))
Really?)) I thought it was quite tough even bearing in mind the time it was shot, yes there's no sex/drugs/rock'n'-- (oops, the latter was there, I guess :-D ) but I couldn't shake off the feeling that it was all serious there)) (Or do I picture a children's TV-show as something light and safe? :hmm: I actually grew up watching the X-Files, so it's all quite messed up in my head :mosk: )

Oh, this is gorgeous
Who knows, maybe John Simm was actually inspired by owls while prepareing for the role :alles:

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God, tome everything about them is horrible from their blank, colourless exterior to the very concept of their emptiness, of people being deprived of their personalities, of everything human and alive being wiped out of them — now there's a real incentive to go and hide behind the sofa :yes: :aaa:
Yes, it's pretty scary. But there's a chance to stay human, still. Remember that woman, the head of Torchwood in London who met the Doctor was the one to tell him that they took his TARDIS and were going to hold him since they thought him a threat. She was already turned into a Cyberwoman but she still defended people, she shoot as many Cybermen as she could.

So, no mercy to the alien invaders? :rotate:
No, not like that. I'd rather say, no mercy to the human race revealed as the ugliest and most wonderful of creation at the same time. Although those alien invaders who were really dangerous and wouldn't listen to any reasoning also didn't get away in one piece.

Really?))
I suppose so. It seems serious, yeah, not light and safe, there are deaths and battles and philosophical disagreements, but still - there's little logic in actions and words, villains are not cunning, the fights are too slow even for a children show and even the Daleks are not so dangerous as they are in the newschool. Maybe I'm also influenced by the settings - alien brains with prolonged eyes, obviously made of rags, paper flowers, all humanoid aliens in funny short and stretching costumes - as if different attitude to almost-nudity is a basic feature of a creature from another planet. It's not fair to let it influence me - for the 60s it all was great and unique, but I'm still here, in 2011.
Although it's really fascinating: to see the root of the flower that I've already learned to adore. To see the Doctor say for the first time ever "trust me". To hear for the first time the word TARDIS. It's like touching history itself, black and white and fragile, but still breathing and captivating.

Who knows, maybe John Simm was actually inspired by owls while prepareing for the role :alles:
Well, that would be nice if it were so :-D It's... touching somehow.

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Yes, it's pretty scary. But there's a chance to stay human, still. Remember that woman, the head of Torchwood in London who met the Doctor was the one to tell him that they took his TARDIS and were going to hold him since they thought him a threat. She was already turned into a Cyberwoman but she still defended people, she shoot as many Cybermen as she could.
It's hard to forget :yes: Her will must have been amazingly, unbelievably strong, or maybe (that's what I actually thought while watching the episode) she was very close to being a fanatic, which, IMHO, could explain her resistance as well as her general behaviour))
And also there's a girl who was going to play Martha the next season, but apparently nobody had any idea of it then, so there's a funny moment for us :gigi:

I'd rather say, no mercy to the human race revealed as the ugliest and most wonderful of creation at the same time.
Well, that is serious))) And most certainly not children-oriented, that's a difficult concept even for some (many?) adults ( :hey: ).

Although those alien invaders who were really dangerous and wouldn't listen to any reasoning also didn't get away in one piece.
:hmm: There's one interesting thing about the Doctor — he really needs such people, who would do unpleasant stuff without too many qualms of conscience, because there are things he just can't do (unless he's EXTREMELY pissed which is a rare thing as far as I know).

alien brains with prolonged eyes, obviously made of rags, paper flowers,
"«Doctor Who» began on a junkyard" :yes: :sunny: I'm trying to look past it, such stuff is inevitable :rotate: Though it worked back then, the actors who now are in the show say that it was a real test of their courage to watch "Doctor Who" :D

all humanoid aliens in funny short and stretching costumes - as if different attitude to almost-nudity is a basic feature of a creature from another planet.
Hm :hmm: An interesting thought :hmm: , suppressing of sexuality makes you teach children that almost-nudity is bad, so when you want to sow that the aliens are bad you just-- :-D On the other hand, if the aliens are good into them you put your hope, that one day it all'll be over))) It's either "no-o-o-o, we're not like that" or freedom :rotate: Nah.

It's like touching history itself, black and white and fragile, but still breathing and captivating.
I suppose it is touching history — this show is already a legend :) And here's your chance to feel a bit like the Doctor, i.e. to travel backwards (rightwards-leftwards-wibbly-wobbly :-D ) in time :sunny: And it does look fragile, I think because it's already gone)))

Well, that would be nice if it were so It's... touching somehow.
Oh, he's a professional, he knew that that guy he was going ti play was downright crazy, so he must've gone: "What's the craziest thing in the world? :thnk: Ah! Owls!" :laugh: Or maybe it's just his intuition, which is even greater :sunny:

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she was very close to being a fanatic, which, IMHO, could explain her resistance as well as her general behaviour))
Yes, she was. I strongly disliked her for being a fanatic although it turned out to be for the good thing. Fanatics are most dangerous no matter whose side they are on.

Well, that is serious))) And most certainly not children-oriented, that's a difficult concept even for some (many?) adults ( :hey: )
Yes, I guess, children wouldn't catch up with this. But it's not hard to see, this concept - Torchwood reveals it bright, raw and bleeding, like one's heart still beating is ripped off one's chest. That's a feature of what Russell T. Davies does - he doesn't hide concepts to make the viewer guess and collect the idea from little pieces, he shows it clear, strong and blinding like a lightning bolt.

There's one interesting thing about the Doctor — he really needs such people, who would do unpleasant stuff without too many qualms of conscience
An interesting and sad thing. "That's what you do, Doctor. You take people and turn them into weapons" (c) It makes him suffer almost as much as if he did the unpleasant stuff himself.

Though it worked back then, the actors who now are in the show say that it was a real test of their courage to watch "Doctor Who" :D
Well, it is a test of a kind ))) I decided now to slow down a bit as I calculated: with the same speed I'll finish the oldschool by the middle of August, and this is not possible - to devote to watching as much time as I do now. Besides, I've got a feeling that I gathered enough information to chew for the time being.

It's either "no-o-o-o, we're not like that" or freedom :rotate: Nah.
In "Doctor Who" it's freedom, I reckon. The aliens wearing such costumes are mostly the good ones.

And here's your chance to feel a bit like the Doctor, i.e. to travel backwards (rightwards-leftwards-wibbly-wobbly :-D ) in time :sunny:
It's not as breathtaking as one could think from your words ))) But you're right. Wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey, funny :cheek:

Or maybe it's just his intuition, which is even greater :sunny:
He is great, his intuition must be great too :rotate:

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Yes, she was. I strongly disliked her for being a fanatic although it turned out to be for the good thing. Fanatics are most dangerous no matter whose side they are on.
In a way, she was as scary as those cybermen, it was certainly as effective to reason with her as with them :rotate:

Yes, I guess, children wouldn't catch up with this. But it's not hard to see, this concept - Torchwood reveals it bright, raw and bleeding, like one's heart still beating is ripped off one's chest.
Or like realising your parents are real people like everybody else)))

That's a feature of what Russell T. Davies does - he doesn't hide concepts to make the viewer guess and collect the idea from little pieces, he shows it clear, strong and blinding like a lightning bolt.
Oh, that!:-D Somebody once said (on tumblr, perhaps) that RTD is like "Let's keep the plotlines easy and simple so that people can keep up" and Steven Moffat is like "Ah! Let's mindfuck them!" The person was right, I guess :lol: :lol:

An interesting and sad thing. "That's what you do, Doctor. You take people and turn them into weapons" (c) It makes him suffer almost as much as if he did the unpleasant stuff himself.
Yeah, but there are borders he just cannot cross, at least not consciously, and he can't help it — it is admirable, but it makes a lot of people get hurt, and the Doctor just wanted to share his stars with somebody))

In "Doctor Who" it's freedom, I reckon.
May be)) If I'm not mistaken he once had a companion in a bikini :gigi:

It's not as breathtaking as one could think from your words ))) But you're right. Wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey, funny
But it is fascinating :sunny: And honestly, I can't possibly remember the order in which I watched the newschool episodes :mosk:

He is great, his intuition must be great too
:yes: :sunny:

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In a way, she was as scary as those cybermen, it was certainly as effective to reason with her as with them :rotate:
Yes, unfortunately so. I was glad to learn that Captain Jack took care of Tochwood himself - it meant that this establishment will never again see the Doctor as a threat and will never keep him as a prisoner.

Or like realising your parents are real people like everybody else)))
Really? Maybe, I didn't think of that :)

Somebody once said (on tumblr, perhaps) that RTD is like "Let's keep the plotlines easy and simple so that people can keep up" and Steven Moffat is like "Ah! Let's mindfuck them!" The person was right, I guess :lol: :lol:
That person was right as hell, I say ))) And to be honest, I prefer RTD-style to that of Moffat. It's like a mouthful of fresh air.

Yeah, but there are borders he just cannot cross, at least not consciously, and he can't help it — it is admirable, but it makes a lot of people get hurt, and the Doctor just wanted to share his stars with somebody))
The price for stars appears to be unbearably high. For the Doctor as well as for his companions.
A single miracle can come to you for free, but if you turn your life into a chain of miracles, be ready to lose everything and more than everything.

If I'm not mistaken he once had a companion in a bikini :gigi:
Did he? Which Doctor was it, I wonder? )))

And honestly, I can't possibly remember the order in which I watched the newschool episodes :mosk:
What do you need to remember the order for?

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Yes, unfortunately so. I was glad to learn that Captain Jack took care of Tochwood himself - it meant that this establishment will never again see the Doctor as a threat and will never keep him as a prisoner.
Well, if Captain Jack is in charge it will never happen, though I bet he'd like to keep to himself Doctor for a while :smirk: :-D

Really? Maybe, I didn't think of that
This thing definitely changes your views on the world, especially when you have to come to terms with it)))

That person was right as hell, I say ))) And to be honest, I prefer RTD-style to that of Moffat. It's like a mouthful of fresh air.
And I think, I like Moffat's desire to play :sunny:

The price for stars appears to be unbearably high. For the Doctor as well as for his companions.
A single miracle can come to you for free, but if you turn your life into a chain of miracles, be ready to lose everything and more than everything.

The price is high, yes, and some cannot "survive" paying it, but some people become stronger, some people find themselves in this journey and all (well, almost all :gigi: ) because of the Doctor :) He did ask Amy Pond in The Big Bang if it was worth it, and she said, "Shut up! Of course, it was." :sunny:

Did he? Which Doctor was it, I wonder? )))
Perhaps, someone of the last ones of the oldschool :hmm:

What do you need to remember the order for?
Oh, I don't, just saying I'm crazy :lalala:

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Well, if Captain Jack is in charge it will never happen, though I bet he'd like to keep to himself Doctor for a while :smirk: :-D
Maybe he would, but fortunately for the Doctor Jack is better that that )))

This thing definitely changes your views on the world, especially when you have to come to terms with it)))
I can't argue :) Since for me it was quite a long time ago, I don't remember distinctly whether my personal experience was that much of influence.

And I think, I like Moffat's desire to play :sunny:
Suum quique :cheek:

ut some people become stronger, some people find themselves in this journey and all (well, almost all :gigi: ) because of the Doctor
:yes: Just like Sarah Jane said to Rose in The School Reunion: Some things are worth having your heart broken for.

Perhaps, someone of the last ones of the oldschool :hmm:
I shall find out, which one. I'm curious ))) Although I wouldn't be able to do so soon, that's a pity: now that's for sure that I'm leaving for several weeks at the end of July.

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I can't argue Since for me it was quite a long time ago, I don't remember distinctly whether my personal experience was that much of influence.
I can't give any actual data either, but I think it does help you realize what people mean, when they say that the world is not black and white — truly realize. And perhaps any realization and experience consists of something like that, some truly important "bricks" :rotate:

Suum quique
Suum cuique :yes: :friend2: So, am I having a linguistic night here? Seems like it, though honestly my Latin is a bit better than my French, which is nonexistent :laugh:

Just like Sarah Jane said to Rose in The School Reunion: Some things are worth having your heart broken for.
Have you reached Sarah Jane (as a companion) yet? I saw a couple of episodes and I'd say I understand why people love her :yes:

Although I wouldn't be able to do so soon, that's a pity: now that's for sure that I'm leaving for several weeks at the end of July.
(( Well, any break from the Internet proves to be useful, so-- :rotate: But you'll be back?

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but I think it does help you realize what people mean, when they say that the world is not black and white — truly realize. And perhaps any realization and experience consists of something like that, some truly important "bricks" :rotate:
:yes: I'm inclined to agree with you. Although the importance of "bricks" involved depends on the circumstances; what is nonsense for one is a greatest lesson for another.

Suum cuique :yes: :friend2: So, am I having a linguistic night here?
Oh, sorry ( My French, which I use definitely much more often than my Latin, seems to be infiltrating the latter. Such a shame not looking it up in the dictionary first (

Have you reached Sarah Jane (as a companion) yet? I saw a couple of episodes and I'd say I understand why people love her :yes:
No, not yet. I had to stop watching DW during last two days as my future departure demands lots of things to be done beforehand, so I haven't seen even a half of the First Doctor era yet. Which Doctor's companion was Sarah Jane, by the way? Maybe I shall not watch the oldschool in the strict order of appearance but skip from one Doctor to another.

(( Well, any break from the Internet proves to be useful, so-- :rotate: But you'll be back?
So it does :) Surely, I will be back unless no unfortunate accidents occurs (but I proved so far that I can cross the road carefully, so I don't really consider a possibility of the kind )) ). In the middle of August - maybe several days earlier - I shall be back :)

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I'm inclined to agree with you. Although the importance of "bricks" involved depends on the circumstances; what is nonsense for one is a greatest lesson for another.
Sure))) It's all pretty individual, I'd say :rotate:

My French, which I use definitely much more often than my Latin
You know French?! :wow: Alright, you brought it on yourself :smirk: Is this phrase — Pourquoi non, ma belle? — right? From here, I'm more or less sure about other words, but this is too big for me E-erm, ple-e-e-ease? :shy: :shuffle2:

No, not yet. I had to stop watching DW during last two days as my future departure demands lots of things to be done beforehand,
So is this departure not from the Internet only, if you don't mind me asking? :) :shuffle2:

Which Doctor's companion was Sarah Jane, by the way? Maybe I shall not watch the oldschool in the strict order of appearance but skip from one Doctor to another.
She certainly was with the Third Doctor and with the Fourth (with whom I saw her), and perhaps that's all :hmm: Well, she's been around for quite a while :yes:

Surely, I will be back unless no unfortunate accidents occurs (but I proved so far that I can cross the road carefully, so I don't really consider a possibility of the kind )) ). In the middle of August - maybe several days earlier - I shall be back
Alright :sunny: I just thought, what if during this break you'll just get unused to the whole diary thing and decide not to come back :-D :-D :-D
Speaking about roads, I once realized that we are very lucky to come home alive considering the way we cross them :rotate:

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You know French?! :wow:
More or less ))) Worse than my English, but when there's a need I can be pretty fluent.

Is this phrase — Pourquoi non, ma belle? — right? From here, I'm more or less sure about other words, but this is too big for me E-erm, ple-e-e-ease? :shy: :shuffle2:
No, it's not :) It should be Pourquoi pas, ma belle? I checked the other words you used - most of them are correct, but I'd use Quoi? instead of Oui? - looks more natural and colloquial. But "oui" will also do.

So is this departure not from the Internet only, if you don't mind me asking? :) :shuffle2:
I don't :) One can name it a journey as I'll be leaving the city I'm living in.

She certainly was with the Third Doctor and with the Fourth (with whom I saw her), and perhaps that's all :hmm:
I saw the photos of the Third and the Fourth - such a change must've been shocking for her :cheek:

I just thought, what if during this break you'll just get unused to the whole diary thing and decide not to come back :-D :-D :-D
There's always a chance of such a thing - I'm just a light-headed human being, after all :) But I feel comfortable here so far and don't plan on cancelling "the whole diary thing" in the foreseen future.

Speaking about roads, I once realized that we are very lucky to come home alive considering the way we cross them :rotate:
Well, it's lucky, but I don't think of it often. There's a possibility of choking to death on a fishbone or slipping over spilt milk and breaking your neck, for instance; we are too fragile not to go mad from thinking about it all the time.

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2011-07-02 в 00:01 

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No, it's not It should be Pourquoi pas, ma belle?
Corrected it, thanks :yes: And ma belle is fine? Thank God, the thought os cases and declension terrified me to death, it would've been a bit more than I've bargained for :rotate:

but I'd use Quoi? instead of Oui? - looks more natural and colloquial. But "oui" will also do.
I actually thought about it, but-- I wanted the question to sound a bit engaging, you know, with all the romantic atmosphere and so on, and "oui" seemed a bit more appropriate :crznope:

I saw the photos of the Third and the Fourth - such a change must've been shocking for her
I've seen the Episode with the regeneration and I can't say she was very shocked, a bit confused maybe :hmm: Well, she had a lot to do: there was the Doctor to care about and villains to fight, and then, I guess, she just got used to :D

There's always a chance of such a thing - I'm just a light-headed human being, after all But I feel comfortable here so far and don't plan on cancelling "the whole diary thing" in the foreseen future.
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Corrected it, thanks :yes:
My pleasure :) Good to remember a bit of French after days mostly filled with DW in English (not taking the phrase "allons-y" into account, that is).

And ma belle is fine? Thank God, the thought os cases and declension terrified me to death, it would've been a bit more than I've bargained for :rotate:
Yes, it's all right. Address me if you ever need a hand with French; don't hesitate, it wouldn't be a burden at all - it's pretty easy for me, this adorably illogical and elaborate concordance of gender and number in French.

I wanted the question to sound a bit engaging, you know, with all the romantic atmosphere and so on, and "oui" seemed a bit more appropriate :crznope:
Yes, "quoi" isn't precisely romantic ))) So "oui" be it.

Well, she had a lot to do: there was the Doctor to care about and villains to fight, and then, I guess, she just got used to :D
Well, think it's true - Rose who was freaked out by the regeneration at first had time and possibility to ponder on it, there were no villains around, and at first - before collapsing - the Doctor didn't seem to require any care :) And I can't judge by several quite brief appearences of Sarah Jane, but she seems to be more stable and reasonable than Rose.

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not taking the phrase "allons-y" into account, that is).
:-D I guess, thought about French words too hard and "my mind just went «What the hell!»" (c) :-D :-D

Yes, it's all right. Address me if you ever need a hand with French; don't hesitate, it wouldn't be a burden at all - it's pretty easy for me, this adorably illogical and elaborate concordance of gender and number in French.
Take you at your word then :smirk: :sunny: Hm-m, it actually opens quite interesting perspectives if I'm ever going to write a prequel to that fic :lip:

And I can't judge by several quite brief appearences of Sarah Jane, but she seems to be more stable and reasonable than Rose.
:hmm: I think she is, Sarah Jane was a journalist and a serious one, so you could count on her being-- tougher in difficult situations))) And I don't know for sure but I got the feeling that the Third Doctor really and normally explained to her and the other companoion, the Brigadier, what was going to happen (they really understood the whole thing) — the Ninth Doctor wasn't that talkative :rotate: Perhaps that's because back then the audience had already seen two regenerations and there was no need to repeat the scenario of shock and disbelief (if that was the case with the previous companions, of course)))

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Take you at your word then :smirk: :sunny: Hm-m, it actually opens quite interesting perspectives if I'm ever going to write a prequel to that fic :lip:
I don't feel the least bit frightened or regretful )))

got the feeling that the Third Doctor really and normally explained to her and the other companoion, the Brigadier, what was going to happen (they really understood the whole thing) — the Ninth Doctor wasn't that talkative :rotate:
Well, yes, that makes sense. The Ninth Doctor was so much in pain and grief, that he couldn't really think of proper explanations, especially since there were any emergencies in the way. He wasn't the type to talk - rather the type to run away from the past, as far away as he could.

Wanted to ask you - did you decide to start watching Torchwood or still rejected the idea? It's just, I've read a fic - TW and DW crossover - a very good one, touching upon many fundamental issues of the Whoniverse, like trust, kindness, the right to decide for the others what's better for them, loneliness and its consequences either way, etc; what's bad about the fact, I've got no one to discuss it with. I thought, maybe, if you watched or were going to do so, you'd like to read the fic and discuss :)

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I don't feel the least bit frightened or regretful )))
:sunny:

The Ninth Doctor was so much in pain and grief, that he couldn't really think of proper explanations, especially since there were any emergencies in the way. He wasn't the type to talk - rather the type to run away from the past, as far away as he could.
Perhaps the Third Doctor had a bit more time before his "death" whilst The Ninth was quite surprised (I guess, I need to watch this episode :rotate: ). I can't quite imagine the Doctor having tea with a companion in the TARDIS and going, "One day, my dear, I may feel a bit sick and then a golden light may be all over me — don't be alarmed then..." :-D Or may be I don't understand the Doctor that well :rotate:

... I thought, maybe, if you watched or were going to do so, you'd like to read the fic and discuss
Honestly, I'm not sure about Torchwood yet, but a good fic is always a love :yes: :heart: And if I get confused with the characters I don't know, I can always look them up, so if you recommend... :lip:

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I can't quite imagine the Doctor having tea with a companion in the TARDIS and going, "One day, my dear, I may feel a bit sick and then a golden light may be all over me — don't be alarmed then..." :-D
Me neither ))) Such things are not blurted out like that, out of the blue, and the Doctor actually doesn't like talking about it - it's still a death, this very version of him dies forever, doesn't matter that the new one will appear - the old one's dead.

And if I get confused with the characters I don't know, I can always look them up, so if you recommend... :lip:
Well, if you say so, than I shall recommend :sunny: Long Night's Journey Into Day by sahiya, the first fic of the series of four (maxi, two minis, maxi again) The Benefits of Being Human... in Cardiff. I like this one text better than the continuations :)
The fic is about alt!Ten, the one left behind with Rose in the parallel universe. It's an AU, so here he wasn't left behind, but was dropped out by the Doctor in Cardiff, where there is a Torchwood institute department run by Captain Jack. The beginning is the same day when The Journey's End finished; it begins with Ianto Jones sweeping what was left of the Dalek from the floor. This text somehow adds to that notion which appeared in our Doctor-devoted conversation - that the alt!Ten won't be able to really settle down as he's an eternal traveller in his mind and soul. We didn't think of other difficulties he'd have to face, though )
If you like, you can look up what happened to the characters Toshiko Sato and Owen Harper and who they were - it's not vital for understanding, but as it was a great tragedy, it would give more sense to what Jack, Ianto and Gwen feel about Owen and Toshiko. And you have to look up Gray, Captain Jack's brother - this is important :)

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and the Doctor actually doesn't like talking about it - it's still a death, this very version of him dies forever, doesn't matter that the new one will appear - the old one's dead.
:yes: It's a difficult topic, plus he does like to keep things to himself. And the companions would get upset))

it begins with Ianto Jones sweeping what was left of the Dalek from the floor
Now I definitely want to read it :-D :-D :-D

If you like, you can look up what happened to the characters Toshiko Sato and Owen Harper and who they were - it's not vital for understanding, but as it was a great tragedy, it would give more sense to what Jack, Ianto and Gwen feel about Owen and Toshiko. And you have to look up Gray, Captain Jack's brother - this is important
OK, thanks for the tip ;-)

We didn't think of other difficulties he'd have to face, though )
M-hm, well, obviously someone else did :rotate: Thinking authors, thinking authors are/should be cool :-D :-D

Alright, I've no idea when I finish it as the word count is impressive, but we definitely can start tomorrow :yes:

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It's a difficult topic, plus he does like to keep things to himself.
:yes: He doesn't like them upset. He wants them to be happy, content, excited as long as possible, and life-and-death conversations don't really help.

Now I definitely want to read it :-D :-D :-D
It sounds funny, I know, but the fic is romance and angst and hurt/comfort, not actually humor )))

OK, thanks for the tip ;-)
Welcome :rotate:

well, obviously someone else did :rotate: Thinking authors, thinking authors are/should be cool :-D :-D
Yes, the author did that - proper actual thinking :) I love it in texts.

Alright, I've no idea when I finish it as the word count is impressive, but we definitely can start tomorrow :yes:
I'm not hurrying you in any way :) I've got the whole site whofic.com to entertain myself in meanwhile and a lot of other stuff :cheek: I will wait.

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It sounds funny, I know, but the fic is romance and angst and hurt/comfort, not actually humor )))
I get that, but it sounds like a special kind of humour and gives one hopes for some crazy stuff :gigi:

Yes, the author did that - proper actual thinking I love it in texts.
Yeah, when you're actually respected as a reader :sunny:

I've got the whole site whofic.com to entertain myself in meanwhile and a lot of other stuff I will wait.
And I have X-Men:First Class One String Fest and an X-Men AU that eats my brain — it's actually chewing it, God help me :facepalm3: :mosk: But I'm still adequate, I guess :plush:

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I get that, but it sounds like a special kind of humour and gives one hopes for some crazy stuff :gigi:
No whofic without something truly crazy, I suppose. The canon universe presupposes that :cheek:

Yeah, when you're actually respected as a reader :sunny:
Yes, it's a pleasure to see the author gibing you a well-worked out version of reality, see the care and hard work - and they are for you as a reader.

And I have X-Men:First Class One String Fest and an X-Men AU that eats my brain — it's actually chewing it, God help me :facepalm3: :mosk:
Oh, those X-men. Last weeks it feels like I'm not in the SH and DW fandoms anymore, but in the X-Men one, assuming from my Favourite page. Must be really tough stuff )))

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No whofic without something truly crazy, I suppose. The canon universe presupposes that
That still can stop no author from writing a downright angst I think :laugh:

Yes, it's a pleasure to see the author gibing you a well-worked out version of reality, see the care and hard work - and they are for you as a reader.
:yes:

Oh, those X-men. Last weeks it feels like I'm not in the SH and DW fandoms anymore, but in the X-Men one, assuming from my Favourite page. Must be really tough stuff )))
:lol: :lol: Yep, you're not in Kansas anymore :lol: :lol: Try it someday, it's great, this film is particularly, even surprisingly good, given the fact that it still is a film about superheroes :yes: :heart: And actually the presence of the main characters in your Favourite page made me believe in Mycroft/Jim pairing (of which I havent forgotten, no :shuffle2: :shy: :shame: ).

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That still can stop no author from writing a downright angst I think :laugh:
You're right :) Although I can't say I don't like it. The Whoniverse is an endless source of angst, you just go and pick up the loneliness, the losses, the danger and cradle them until they become a text.
Quite a funny fact: I feel more fond of Doctor/Jack than Doctor/Master, though the promise of the latter, not the former, was one of the reasons that dragged me into the Whoniverse. I love them together and love them apart, and they give me the feeling of minus and minus equalling plus, if you see what I mean.

Yep, you're not in Kansas anymore :lol: :lol:
I figured that much )))

Try it someday, it's great
Maybe I will since you praise it so passionately. I doubt I will fall in love with it - I'm content having Sherlock and the Doctor and have so much to look forward to in both of the forementioned fandoms. I treat other potential fandoms with mistrust before even knowing them ))

And actually the presence of the main characters in your Favourite page made me believe in Mycroft/Jim pairing (of which I havent forgotten, no :shuffle2: :shy: :shame: ).
Sorry, I lost you here. The presence of whom exactly in my Favourite page made you believe in myji (of which I'm thinking every day reading the news from Afghanistan, by the way)? ))

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and they give me the feeling of minus and minus equalling plus, if you see what I mean.
Like two lonely, tortured souls healing each other?)) Well, you certainly don't get that in Doctor/Master — the closer they get to each other the more they hurt each other, and that's a neverending story) And Jack, I guess, is more into Doctor's idea of fun, he's able and willing to listen and understand (they can be equals... well, almost, which is a big thing already :rotate: ), and who knows maybe he's able to make the Doctor listen too :)

Maybe I will since you praise it so passionately.
:sunny: I can't promise you anything, you may well not like it. I actually didn' intend to even watch the film, but it turned out to be something really well-made, epic, and clever :yes:

I treat other potential fandoms with mistrust before even knowing them ))
I absolutely know the feeling :gigi: :buddy:
Fandoms, fandoms (meaning the "gathering" of fans ;-)) are tricky)) It's strange, but I don't feel myself a part of the DW-fandom as much as I feel myself a part of the X-Men-fandom; wonder why it is so :rotate:

Sorry, I lost you here. The presence of whom exactly in my Favourite page made you believe in myji
Well, these guys. As far as I understand, you remember them very well now :-D

myji (of which I'm thinking every day reading the news from Afghanistan, by the way)? ))
Oh :shame: :shame: :shame:

OK, off to read now :fly:

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Like two lonely, tortured souls healing each other?))
No, not like that - although this aspect too, but not as the basic one. Like two exceptions who have met and can now establish their own rules for themselves.
They've got all time in the world, they've got interest in each other (and from Jack it's more like a tentative admiring love, even, sometimes - I'm speaking of what I saw on the screen). They both shouldn't be, but they are.
They are lonely and all that, but they are strong enough to cope with that on their own, as for me. They need not so much someone to heal them, but someone to understand; not a nanny or a nurse, but an equal, more or less. Someone to share the burden and the joy with. With the Master the Doctor is never going to get something of the kind. The Master is far too broken to form any kind of relationship except for destruction and despair; he's like a black hole, swallowing all that the Doctor can give and never using it the way intended by the Doctor.

I actually didn't intend to even watch the film, but it turned out to be something really well-made, epic, and clever :yes:
Sounds similar to the beginning of my love to the Doctor )))

It's strange, but I don't feel myself a part of the DW-fandom as much as I feel myself a part of the X-Men-fandom; wonder why it is so :rotate:
If it comes to that, I don't feel a part of any fandom. Can't say it's a bad feeling.
Maybe the reason is in the first encounters with the co-fans. Depends on many conditions - the atmosphere, the age of the fandom, the exact personality with whom you've met first, etc.

Well, these guys. As far as I understand, you remember them very well now :-D
Oh, I see now.
And yes, I know them much better than I'd like to :rotate:

Oh :shame: :shame: :shame:
Erm... what's wrong?

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Like two exceptions who have met and can now establish their own rules for themselves.
I guess, a number of near-death and actually death experiences can change a personality significantly so they should have a lot in common, may be more than the Doctor has with the Master, because he is more "human" than any other Time Lord, and Jack is not exactly a human being now))) :hmm:

Sounds similar to the beginning of my love to the Doctor )))
:-D Though I guess, First Class is not as clever as DW, but I can be wrong :rotate:

If it comes to that, I don't feel a part of any fandom.
Really?)) I would think that after two months discussing quite a particular issue of a show one's relationship with "Sherlock" fandom (e.g.) is pretty much consummated :rotate: But, again, it's all quite individual :-D
In the case of DW-fandom I think I haven't met the people I thought I'd meet, I had too high hopes especially after "Sherlock". And I may have been a bit luckier with X-Men :crznope: I think I just enjoy it, sharing something I like with others who like it too, quite a buried feeling for me :plush:

And yes, I know them much better than I'd like to
Ah, why?)) They are amazing actors, both of them :yes: I've had a huge respect for James McAvoy for years and now e-er... discovering Michael Fassbender (and I'm sorry I won't be any consolation to you, 'cause it seems like a huge Fassbender-picspam is going to ensue on your fav. page terribly soon. And it's going to last for awhile. But don't worry, I'll put it under the cut. Well, most of it читать дальше )

Erm... what's wrong?
I'm ashamed because I'm lazy :shuffle2: :shy:

Right, now, fic. I've read two chapters, that is the Doctor has just been beaten up by Jack and run off in his pj))
I like it, though I can't help thinking (and I guess we've even discussed something like it) that the Doctor wouldn't be that passive and depressed, at least not at the beginning. Yes, he's human now, everything is different, but wouldn't he try to deny the obvious as long as he can and run around giving orders and looking for trouble until he realises that there's no TARDIS for him anymore? In this story he is definitely led, and the Doctor can't be led by anyone, that's my impression of him)))

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I guess, a number of near-death and actually death experiences can change a personality significantly so they should have a lot in common, may be more than the Doctor has with the Master, because he is more "human" than any other Time Lord, and Jack is not exactly a human being now))) :hmm:
Yes. And the life experience of Jack's is much more extended than that of any of the Doctor's companions. Jack is closer to the Doctor in understanding what it's like - to live a long life and to move on leaving people and whole lives behind and to be alright all the time, no matter what.
I'm reading fics with Ten/Jack right now - one by one, as fast as I was watching the newschool, thousands of words in a very short time - and they all try to embrace what we are talking about, but I can't find something truly satisfying, something complete enough for me to relax and say - this is it, it's them, I can leave them where they are and explore something new. But the imperfection of the texts leaves me disappointed and almost... hungry? angry? exhausted? Like a wound inside is being opened more and more instead of being healed.

Really?)) I would think that after two months discussing quite a particular issue of a show one's relationship with "Sherlock" fandom (e.g.) is pretty much consummated :rotate:
Really. I'm comfortable where and how I am but I don't feel actually settled. Maybe that's because the fandoms are already formed and it's not so easy to sneak inside even if I wanted to do something cunning and wily about it. If I get off tonight no one - except you, I guess - will notice my absence. That helps me feel free.

Ah, why?)) They are amazing actors, both of them :yes:
I believe they are good :) I loved McAvoy in other films, like "Atonement"; and though it's hard to remember whether I've seen Fassbender somewhere, I think he can't be a true wreck. But the more I see them when I don't want to, the more they irritate me. A chocolate box syndrom :)

I'm ashamed because I'm lazy :shuffle2: :shy:
You shouldn't be )) It's not some kind of job you have to do. It's all about pleasure and fun.

Yes, he's human now, everything is different, but wouldn't he try to deny the obvious as long as he can and run around giving orders and looking for trouble until he realises that there's no TARDIS for him anymore?
Well, according to the author, this is not possible. He feels the loss of the TARDIS constantly, like a part of his body was taken away; no way to forget, almost impossible to get used to being on his own and in a human body after nine hundred years of being otherwise. There was a talk between Martha and Ianto - can't quite remember in which chapter - when Martha tells Ianto that for the Doctor to be human means quite like for a human to lose an arm and to become blind at the same time. I took that for granted as I think it to be pretty logical and fairly justified. Who can forget that he lost a sense or two and walk around like nothing happened just to stop a few minutes later and exclaim: oh, I forgot, I'm suffering, stupid me!
It's unbearable, I know that. No way to deny something that obvious. That's how it is for me, sure for you it's different as we are different people :)
I just feel now like it was not a very good idea to recommend the story as there is a strong possibility that you won't like it - not believing in the characters - and therefore you'll waste lots of your time reading it and won't get any pleasure. If so, I'm sorry )

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but I can't find something truly satisfying, something complete enough for me to relax and say - this is it, it's them, I can leave them where they are and explore something new. But the imperfection of the texts leaves me disappointed and almost... hungry? angry? exhausted? Like a wound inside is being opened more and more instead of being healed.
Why, you know what they say: if you want something to be done right, do it yourself ;-) I wouldn't mind reading some truly Doctor/Jack stuff, they are lovely together :shy: :smirk: A random thought

it's not so easy to sneak inside even if I wanted to do something cunning and wily about it.
God, like what? :hul: :-D

If I get off tonight no one - except you, I guess - will notice my absence. That helps me feel free.
So you try not to get too attached to it, right?))

I loved McAvoy in other films, like "Atonement"
:yes: :heart: There's a funny thing going on with me and McAvoy's films: er, like I sit down to watch Penelope — and he's there, I sit down to watch Becoming Jane — and he's there, I sit down to watch The Last King of Scotland — and you know what happens :lol: And almost all his films are terribly good and I awfully like them, it's like I'm his unconscious fan or something :crztuk: :crazylove:

and though it's hard to remember whether I've seen Fassbender somewhere,
A long shot: have you ever seen Sherlock Holmes and the Case of the Silk Stocking? :rotate: A very long shot :gigi:
And I'd love to tell you that I won't touch upon the subject of those two again, but I really can't vouch for anything) :shuffle2:

I just feel now like it was not a very good idea to recommend the story
Er, don't :yes: And feel free to recommend me anything, I'll deal with it ;-)
So, I've finished the first fic, and as I've said earlier I understand why you think that it's a gem: it is one good, proper story. Everything is really thought out: the plot, the characters, their actions, reactions, emotions. There are men talking about their feelings like men would, and that alone could be enough as an achievement and a sole reason for praise. It's hard not like it, it's one real source of almost esthetic pleasure for a ficreader, plus it makes you think very hard, so thank you for recommending me it :squeeze: And I have a question, is the character of Ianto true to the original? 'Cause I got quite a vivid image from this fic, and I know everyone but him (and Gwen) there :rotate:

But there is a "but" I couldn't manage to get rid of, and it goes: it's not the Doctor. The man in this story is a good man, a clever man... a strong man, but it's not the Doctor (to me, of course). I suppose, I took the whole situation too personally that's why I believe or rather don't believe this man so... vehemently :gigi: You and the author speak about physical changes and I agree, he would need some time to adjust his mind to his body and that would make him feel strange and act strange... but I do believe it wouldn't be so fast. I mean two days and he looks like a man in a grave depression — that's impossible, simply impossible (you have to forgive me, I can't not take it personally). You know, when you cut off a chicken's head it continues to run around for awhile; when you are falling ill and feel really weird and everething around you is weird, you don't fall down immediately — what you do is try to act normal, like you always do and it doesn't matter that you're gonna fall down in several hours. The same thing, I strongly believe, would've happened to the Doctor: he'd try to be himself, to act himself, to think himself and push the pain and weirdness as far as he can because the Doctor is a fighter. And the man we see in this fic is a victim. Different people react to similar situations in a different way, and the Doctor is the Doctor, you can change his cells, but you can't change his character and memories (at least not in this case). Just remember, the Doctor is a man who never stands being bossed around — here it's the only thing he does — he is being bossed around; the Doctor is a man who always likes to be the top man in the room — here ALL decisions are made for him (all of them); the Doctor... the Doctor always thinks — this man is not thinking, he's shutting his brain down (and that's depression, and so to me that's impossible) and that's something such man would never do — because shutting down completely is losing hope (and you remember, "there's always a way out").

You see, my problem is that this person in the fic acts a lot like I would have in that situation. Actually I would have been much worse and total rubbish but similarity is clear. And there's one thing I know for sure, the Doctor... rather I'm nothing like the Doctor. So there's one huge cognitive dissonance for me — I see the similarity where it shouldn't have been, I see myself where I shouldn't have been or at least there shouldn't have been so much of me there. Quite obvious I can't be cool about it, isn't it? :rotate:

The worst thing is that in every other aspect this fic is amazingly thought out, amazingly atmospheric. That's the worst.

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Oh, and to make it clear, this man is fighting, it's just that I think he's fighting not like the Doctor would've.

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Why, you know what they say: if you want something to be done right, do it yourself ;-)
God, these words are cruel, do you know that?( I'm not really sure I can write anything now. I've completetely forgotten the Russian language during last days, and when I think of the Doctor and Jack I do it in English. But I can't write a story in English - even if I had a single idea of a text.

God, like what? :hul: :-D
There are ways to become a part of an already formed society whether it's an virtual one or a real one. Elementary psychology gives you the key to become a part of what you want, to be with people you want to be with. In case you do, of course - do want to be a part of something that you are currently not.

So you try not to get too attached to it, right?))
Yes, I do. I've always been very precautious in that matter.

And almost all his films are terribly good and I awfully like them, it's like I'm his unconscious fan or something :crztuk: :crazylove:
Well, you may as well consider yourself one )))

have you ever seen Sherlock Holmes and the Case of the Silk Stocking? :rotate:
Actually I have :) But it was a long time ago. There were some murders of girls, and Holmes found stockings in their throats, didn't he? The part of my memory concerning the film is definitely already blurred.

And I'd love to tell you that I won't touch upon the subject of those two again, but I really can't vouch for anything) :shuffle2:
well, it's okey as long as they are not the only thing we are talking about ))

It's hard not like it, it's one real source of almost esthetic pleasure for a ficreader, plus it makes you think very hard, so thank you for recommending me it :squeeze:
I'm very glad to hear that :heart:

And I have a question, is the character of Ianto true to the original? 'Cause I got quite a vivid image from this fic, and I know everyone but him (and Gwen) there :rotate:
Yes, both Ianto and Gwen are pictured very well and true to the show :) It's one hundred percent them.

But there is a "but" I couldn't manage to get rid of, and it goes: it's not the Doctor.
and that's depression, and so to me that's impossible) and that's something such man would never do — because shutting down completely is losing hope (and you remember, "there's always a way out").
You see, my problem is that this person in the fic acts a lot like I would have in that situation.
O, I see the problem. I saw myself in his actions too. But it was not a problem for me as I remembered that he's human. A human Doctor. It's not exactly ourselves that we see in the text - it's humanity itself wrapped over the memories of a desperate man who's been a Time Lord once but now he's a human, and it hurts like it never did - being a Time Lord is not easy and fluffy-puffy too, but being a human brings different pain, the one to which the Doctor is not accustomed at all.
Being human makes him vulnerable. The feeling of this newly acquired vulnerability and his huge losses terrifies him, and he knows that there is no way out. Not now. No way to become the one whom he had never actually been but whom he so vividly remembers.
That's how it is for me. This alt!Doctor is not the real Doctor, yes, he isn't 'cause he's human. Like us. Like the author of the story. Human like everyone of those six billion people on the Earth.
I guess that's what made you feel uneasy - the humanity of the Doctor which shouldn't be there, which isn't compatible with the image of the Doctor as we know him. But this really is not the Doctor that we know, that breathtaking brilliant alien who never gives up - this is the human one, whom we've seen for several hasty minutes in The Journey's End.
That's how I took it. I didn't expect the Doctor from this story to be the Doctor I learned to love throughout watching the show, I would be unpleasantly surprised, in fact, if he was a copy of the alien!Doctor, because he must be different.
This is it for me :) I don't say that it's the only right way to understand the text and that you missed it somehow, you may be more right than I am and we may be both equally right - it's just what I see in this alt!Doctor. The humanity that the alien!Doctor aspires to achieve but he never will; the humanity which appeared to be not so much a gift but more a punishment.

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God, these words are cruel, do you know that?(
That's a tragedy, yeah. There's a great possibility that noone will see this pairing like you do, so that's the only way :rotate: But everything is possible, of course :yes:

I've completetely forgotten the Russian language during last days
If you like, we can switch back to Russian, no big deal :yes:

But I can't write a story in English - even if I had a single idea of a text.
Wow, that's interesting. Do you know why?)

There are ways to become a part of an already formed society whether it's an virtual one or a real one. Elementary psychology gives you the key to become a part of what you want, to be with people you want to be with.
I see, but it doesn't always have to be cunning (the ways, that is), does it?

Yes, I do. I've always been very precautious in that matter.
Yeah, I've noticed :gigi:

Actually I have
:buddy: :buddy: :drink: The same for me, didn't remember him either. Fassbender was the murderer there :yes:
I'm actually quite proud of myself this very moment :super:

well, it's okey as long as they are not the only thing we are talking about ))
I guess, that would be impossible :-D

Being human makes him vulnerable.
But isn't he already vulnerable? He's lost a lot, he's suffered a lot, and he's got a heart that feels for so many beings human and not. And it's all there, and I think it's not so much as him being a Time Lord that has helped him through it, as who he is, as his character. The Doctor is not an average Time Lord, he is very, very different from his own kind ;-)

he knows that there is no way out. Not now. No way to become the one whom he had never actually been but whom he so vividly remembers.
This, I think, would've happened anyway in both the author's and my realities, yes, but it's still too fast. Being a Time Lord helped him to run and run and run, but now that he's human he'll fall down, and hard. It's not the fact that he's vulnerable that I didn't like, it's that I didn't see any transition from one state to another.

I guess that's what made you feel uneasy - the humanity of the Doctor which shouldn't be there, which isn't compatible with the image of the Doctor as we know him.
No-no-no, I see nothing wrong in his humanity))) In fact, I loved all those "becoming human" bits: the body temperature, exhaustion he's never felt before but now unable to fight, the brainwork slowing down, emotions hard to control — that's one part of the transition I think that should've been there, and it's there, and hallelujah :rotate: But where's the other one? The other part? The psychological one? It's not the humanity that puts me off, it's the absence of some character traits which I think should've stayed. And which definitely should've stayed at the beginning where the alt!Doctor hasn't really realized anything and should've (and I'm absolutely positive about it) tried to hang on to the man he remembered, to the man he used to be. The Doctor, IMHO, doesn't need the TARDIS and all of time and space to be the Doctor, that's, I guess, where my point of view comes from :rotate:

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There's a great possibility that noone will see this pairing like you do, so that's the only way :rotate:
Well, that is the only way, maybe. But I can't write without a key - you remember, I needed a key for my "Photoalbum", and that was photos - and I don't have a key for the Doctor/Jack right now. Some detail which would drag me - and them too - from the dark.
I feel so helpless thinking of them while drowned in imperfect and sometimes simply disgusting texts. Not many things in my life made me so emotional and desperate last years. It's irritating and truly disturbing.

If you like, we can switch back to Russian, no big deal :yes:
It's a big deal for me. There's been too much English around me last month, more than there's been Russian or any other language, so it's really hard - trying to switch into Russian. I don't want to, actually, though it's necessary if I want to regain my Russian grip and write something.

Wow, that's interesting. Do you know why?)
Because you wrote once a story in English?

I see, but it doesn't always have to be cunning (the ways, that is), does it?
It doesn't, but most often it is. It always gets more complicated than expected.

Yeah, I've noticed :gigi:
Does it bother you? If it does, I can try to be more open. Sincerity and vulnerability don't usually kill people, don't think they are going to do that to me if I try :)

Fassbender was the murderer there :yes:
Can't remember him anyway )))

I guess, that would be impossible :-D
It sounds like a consolation :)

But isn't he already vulnerable?
He's never been as vulnerable as he is being a human. Only one life ahead, aging, no TARDIS, no way to run, etc, etc. Imagine yourself standing somewhere unknown - suddenly blind and without one arm, without a place to go, without anything, and with a person you know who - as you think - doesn't want you around, but you've got nobody else. Literally.

It's not the fact that he's vulnerable that I didn't like, it's that I didn't see any transition from one state to another.
Well, the transition is always a problem. Where's the border between making a text boring while explaining and making it not true to life because of leaving too much for the reader to guess? I saw enough to believe in the transition. It's always very personal.

And which definitely should've stayed at the beginning where the alt!Doctor hasn't really realized anything and should've (and I'm absolutely positive about it) tried to hang on to the man he remembered, to the man he used to be.
Well, should he? I don't think so. Although he was very much like the Doctor at the beginning which is proved by the beginning of the fourth fic in the series (but I personally didn't like that one much - the author went too far trying to make every beloved character happy; I prefer "Long Night's Journey Into Day" as a standalone), he - I suppose - didn't feel it to be right - fighting for being someone who he isn't and whom he's never actually been. It seems to him pointless and not honest, I believe.
The thing is, it doesn't really matter what you or me as readers think - whether the Doctor is the Doctor without the TARDIS, the second heart and the sonic screwdriver or not; what matters is what he thinks, and he does doubt. He prohibits himself to be the Doctor, thinks himself a pathetic fake. That could be the reason for the lack of fighting.

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But I can't write without a key - you remember, I needed a key for my "Photoalbum", and that was photos - and I don't have a key for the Doctor/Jack right now. Some detail which would drag me - and them too - from the dark.
And you can't generate it somehow? Like turn the two upside down, think of their lives, what those lives were and could have been, or in what circumstances did Jack leave his squareness (?) gun in the TARDIS?..

I don't want to, actually, though it's necessary if I want to regain my Russian grip and write something.
So what are we doing, especially given the fact that you do have to write something? :rotate: Again, no trouble for me in either case :)

Because you wrote once a story in English?
Me or you? :eyebrow: As for me, not once, entirely realizing the prevailing Russian structure of phrases, and doing it entirely for myself)) All because I love it, I breathe it, and see nothing wrong in drowning in a language once in a while ;-)

It doesn't, but most often it is. It always gets more complicated than expected.
I guess so, though I'm not skillful in both cunning and natural and nice ways to blend in :rotate:

Sincerity and vulnerability don't usually kill people, don't think they are going to do that to me if I try
Actually I've been thinking about your strategy, i.e. not being involved into any casual fandom... activity :gigi: As far as I know you never comment on anything unless directly addressed, I was really interested in that fact for quite a while, now I understand — that's cool :gigi:
As for everything else, I've nothing to complain about :no:

OK, 'll be back tomorrow :D

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Can't remember him anyway )))
I remember that he was real crazy :lol:

It sounds like a consolation
Well, look around — that's our common practice, discussing all the random stuff at once :-D

Only one life ahead, aging, no TARDIS, no way to run, etc, etc. Imagine yourself standing somewhere unknown - suddenly blind and without one arm, without a place to go, without anything, and with a person you know who - as you think - doesn't want you around, but you've got nobody else. Literally.
Yep. But I think there's one relevant point to that: the Doctor's been in the situations of the like, he's been there many times and emerged sort of unscathed, so being an optimist (I'm not one, so that's just a guess :rotate: ) the first thing he should do is think, "Ooh, sounds familiar... Let's try this, and if it doesn't help let's try that". It's been quite a while when he's had nowhere to go, and there's never anyone that can help him, his friends are his important but moral support, otherwise he has to count solely on himself, that's how I see it. And you remember The Doctor's Wife? No TARDIS, no friends, no sane people around, the asteroid that's not even inside the Universe, but sod it it's about to destroy itself anyway — what is he like there? He tries to find a way out and "doesn't care that it's impossible".

This although what matters is what he thinks, and he does doubt. He prohibits himself to be the Doctor, thinks himself a pathetic fake. That could be the reason for the lack of fighting. might well be the case. Rose slighted him, as did the Doctor... Oh, I think I see what's off to me, the Doctor has always seen every and any being as something worthy and important, and I do believe that he really, really ment it (900 years, you can make yourself believe in anything in 900 years). So.. no, one more: the Doctor has an enourmous ego and at the same time he's not a very big fan of himself (Amy's Choice, "There's only one man that can hate me as much as you do"), yes. Actually, he might think himself already a pathetic fake as compared to what everybody thinks of him, and that's based on his deeds and decisions — not on the nature he oh so vehemently claims unable to be imperfect. It's just I don't think he's lying :yes:

Well, should he? I don't think so.
Well, aren't you going to cling to something familiar which by the way is/should be yearning to come out of you? (His character, his temperament — it must be there! :yes: )

Although he was very much like the Doctor at the beginning which is proved by the beginning of the fourth fic in the series
Did the action in this fic take place before the "Long Night"?

Where's the border between making a text boring while explaining and making it not true to life because of leaving too much for the reader to guess? I saw enough to believe in the transition. It's always very personal.
It's not that I don't believe that he could've come to what we've seen, but... Yeah, it's personal :-D
And I didn't mean explaining things, I meant showing them like the author showed the Doctor's amazement at getting tired too fast when before he would've gone on working, the sudden inability to control the physical processes — like that but with existentiality crisis (I remember the scene with Martha and I know it's next to impossible :yes: )))

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2011-07-11 в 20:32 

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And you can't generate it somehow?
Well, it's hard to generate it myself, and there's no one to help me. Generating it myself takes a really long time. Really long. One of the things I just can't do quickly, unfortunately.

think of their lives, what those lives were and could have been
Well, I'd have to think of something truly unusual here. I'm fed up with texts in which the Doctor is for one reason or another (usually it's the TARDIS needing some fuel or repairing) stuck in Cardiff and joins Jack's Torchwood as an alien tech expert and an additional pain in the ass; texts in which Jack flies away with the Doctor after The Last Of The Time Lords events and they live happily ever after (after a couple of pages of angst, that is), texts in which the Doctor comes to Cardiff and sobs on Jack's shoulder after saying goodye to Rose, the duplicate and Donna, and - of course - Jack knows just the cure for all troubles.
Sorry, I've just spoilt for you 95% of the Doctor/Jack fics. Didn't really mean to, just was truly desperate.
I've also seen pretty good texts, filling the canon gaps like the two years of Jack's life that he doesn't remember etc. To think of something really good I gotta try hard.

or in what circumstances did Jack leave his squareness (?) gun in the TARDIS?..
Imagine this )))
- Where's my gun, by the way? - asks Jack.
The Doctor throws at him something over the shoulder and Jack catches it.
- It's a banana, - says Jack examining the fruit. - Where's my gun? No, really, where?
- Exactly, - says the Doctor pushing a lever on the console. - It's a banana. Bananas are good. Guns are not.
Jack sighs and starts to peel the banana.
Anyway, he still has one last secret weapon in a place where the Doctor wouldn't reach without Jack knowing.

So what are we doing, especially given the fact that you do have to write something? :rotate:
I'd suggest we keep it the way it is :)

Me or you? :eyebrow:
You :cheek: I've never written stories in English, 'cause it's not my native and I don't feel like I have the right to do so. Russian is my only tool to tell fairy-tales.

I love it, I breathe it
:heart: :yes:

As far as I know you never comment on anything unless directly addressed, I was really interested in that fact for quite a while, now I understand — that's cool :gigi:
You're right, I prefer to avoid starting conversations unless I'm addressed - otherwise it'd be impolite, and I like politeness. You are attentive :)

OK, 'll be back tomorrow :D
Shall be waiting :rotate:

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Well, look around — that's our common practice, discussing all the random stuff at once :-D
You're absolutely right ))))

what is he like there? He tries to find a way out and "doesn't care that it's impossible".
But he is still himself. He's still a Time Lord, and while everything else was taken from him, he himself is there, all senses and limbs where they should be.

Actually, he might think himself already a pathetic fake as compared to what everybody thinks of him, and that's based on his deeds and decisions — not on the nature he oh so vehemently claims unable to be imperfect.
:yes: You come to see that pretty often in the show. He feels love and adoration of the people but honestly doesn't understand what he did to deserve this level of affection and loyalty.

Well, aren't you going to cling to something familiar which by the way is/should be yearning to come out of you?
Considering you think yourself to be a pathetic fake - you might as well fight it. Fight your own desires and needs. Fight your memory and feelings if you are convinced that they are not really yours.

Did the action in this fic take place before the "Long Night"?
No, it didn't. There's a series of fics: The Benefits of Being Human... in Cardiff. «Long Night...» is the first in the series. After it there are two minis - fluffy, cuddly, plotless; and one big maxi which concludes the series.

I meant showing them like the author showed the Doctor's amazement at getting tired too fast when before he would've gone on working, the sudden inability to control the physical processes — like that but with existentiality crisis
Well, you made me think - how to show an existentiality crisis in a text without failing the whole text? One wrong detail, one extra word - and the reader is eager to call the text a failure. The physical part is easy to show, but can a human author enter the half-Gallifreyan mind of the character and show it to a human reader? I personally wouln't be able to do that, I guess.

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Oh, we were writing them at the same time :-D

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Generating it myself takes a really long time. Really long.
:hmm: It may be worth it :D

Sorry, I've just spoilt for you 95% of the Doctor/Jack fics.
Oh, never mind, I think I'd like to skip the shoulder crying ones :-D
:hmm: You could write something character-based, like the Doctor and Jack are lying on the attic of some house spying on the Sontarans, and they have only one pair of spyglasses, and they are talking and so on... :alles:

Imagine this )))
:lol: :lol: :lol: :peshi: I hope you won't blame me for having to live with this image for the rest of your life? :gigi:

I'd suggest we keep it the way it is
OK)) We're crazy, did you know that? :crzdrink:

I've never written stories in English, 'cause it's not my native and I don't feel like I have the right to do so.
Yeah, it's quite possible to vandalize a language like that, but for a reason unknown this paragraph wasn't included in my moral code :plush: You know what they call a language that lies under a glass — dead, and I think a language should live — in any possible way you can provide)))

You're right, I prefer to avoid starting conversations unless I'm addressed - otherwise it'd be impolite, and I like politeness.
Do you know that very often people write something on the Internet because they want to talk about it?)))

You are attentive
Yeah, somebody kill me already :bang:

He feels love and adoration of the people but honestly doesn't understand what he did to deserve this level of affection and loyalty.
Doesn't he? :susp: I got the idea that he does, he just knows some things that might just make people stop loving him (and if they find these things out and still don't stop loving him, then they are just stupid emotional humans :gigi: ).

Considering you think yourself to be a pathetic fake - you might as well fight it. Fight your own desires and needs. Fight your memory and feelings if you are convinced that they are not really yours.
:hmm: That's actually a great subject to write... This fight would surely be terribly exhausting, and Doctor could've seemed "not himself"
and quite aloof add to that that he is not "all there" physically and you might as well picture a man from the fic. With one little "but" — this fight involves a hell of a lot of mindwork, and one of the first things I told you about the story was that the Doctor wasn't really thinking or wasn't thinking enough.
I don't know, it just couldn't have happened so quietly for him, he's not that sort of a man, he had to "run".

No, it didn't. There's a series of fics: The Benefits of Being Human... in Cardiff. «Long Night...» is the first in the series.
Then it's not the beginning, the beginning I'd like to see anyway :crznope:

Well, you made me think - how to show an existentiality crisis in a text without failing the whole text? One wrong detail, one extra word - and the reader is eager to call the text a failure. The physical part is easy to show, but can a human author enter the half-Gallifreyan mind of the character and show it to a human reader? I personally wouln't be able to do that, I guess.
I told you, I thought it was next to impossible :eyebrow: But I don't think it's that murderous: there are always details that are wrong))

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:hmm: It may be worth it :D
Maybe. We shall see :) I'm working on the sheriarty for Leda Rius that I promised a long time ago - remember that? - cause I've finally worked out the key myself. Don't know if it's going to work and lead somewhere. We'll see.

Oh, never mind, I think I'd like to skip the shoulder crying ones :-D
I wish I had done that - skipped them, that is. Mind you, most often it's the TARDIS taking the devastated Doctor to Jack and the Doctor suddenly understands that the old girl knew what he needed from the beginning - he needed Jack to comfort him, hug, wipe the tears, say that it's going to be alright and fuck afterwards. This is practically it.

You could write something character-based, like the Doctor and Jack are lying on the attic of some house spying on the Sontarans, and they have only one pair of spyglasses, and they are talking and so on... :alles:
Well, I could have a go at that. But they deserve a good plot and thousands of words framing their story together, not only a one-shot with banter and chat and sharing spyglasses.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :peshi: I hope you won't blame me for having to live with this image for the rest of your life? :gigi:
I won't :-D Think of it as of a missing scene somewhere in between The Doctor Dances and Bad Wolf :cheek:
Wait, hold on, have I just written out of the blue a small story in English? Have I? Oh, gosh, the Doctor makes me do things I never wanted to do )))

We're crazy, did you know that? :crzdrink:
I'm certain about it, and I like it ))))


Do you know that very often people write something on the Internet because they want to talk about it?)))
Daleks have no concept of talking Well, I've heard of such a quaint notion but never planned on doing something like that myself )))

Yeah, somebody kill me already :bang:
Why should they? :rotate:

Doesn't he? :susp: I got the idea that he does, he just knows some things that might just make people stop loving him (and if they find these things out and still don't stop loving him, then they are just stupid emotional humans :gigi: ).
Well, he does but not entirely. Whatever he does, people don't stop loving him. All his companions, his Children of Time, scattered on the Earth. Never forget him, never stop adoring him. He leaves them behind, he puts their lives at risk, lies to them, tells them the truth about Gallifrey and what he had done to it, they suffer for him, die for him, abandon their families - they love him. Always. Whatever. And he thinks he doesn't deserve that.

this fight involves a hell of a lot of mindwork, and one of the first things I told you about the story was that the Doctor wasn't really thinking or wasn't thinking enough.
Well. Maybe you've got a point here. But then we return to the problem indicated below. Writing he Doctor's POV must be harder than write Sherlock's, for example. It's very big and scary.

Then it's not the beginning, the beginning I'd like to see anyway :crznope:
Saying the beginning I meant the beginning of the fourth fic in the series, here it is: Leaves of Memory. In this concluding fic the Doctor himself is first introduced to the story.
As I've already mentioned, I don't like this one much.

I told you, I thought it was next to impossible :eyebrow: But I don't think it's that murderous: there are always details that are wrong))
It is murderous: you see that you did wrong but you don't know which words to choose to make it right. And it's killing you.

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Have you heard that, by any chance? I heard it yesterday and loved it :cheek:


What a pair we'll be,
The Doctor and I!.. (c)

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I'm working on the sheriarty for Leda Rius that I promised a long time ago - remember that? - cause I've finally worked out the key myself. Don't know if it's going to work and lead somewhere. We'll see.
Oh, I remember :lip: :kino: She's going to be a bit surprised, I guess :-D

Mind you, most often it's the TARDIS taking the devastated Doctor to Jack...
There are several with the same plot? :wow: :-D

But they deserve a good plot and thousands of words framing their story together, not only a one-shot with banter and chat and sharing spyglasses.
I can't argue with that :rotate:

Wait, hold on, have I just written out of the blue a small story in English? Have I? Oh, gosh, the Doctor makes me do things I never wanted to do )))
Seems like you have :eyebrow: :-D Well, you know the Doctor, he's a bad boy :smirk: :gigi:

I'm certain about it, and I like it ))))
Yep, sanity is highly overrated :friend2:

Daleks have no concept of talking Well, I've heard of such a quaint notion but never planned on doing something like that myself )))
Daleks are capable of more than they realize Well, what you've heard was kind of true :D OK)))

Why should they?
One can get tired of that from time to time :rotate:

Whatever he does, people don't stop loving him. [...] Always. Whatever. And he thinks he doesn't deserve that.
Well, it's good that he doesn't, otherwise we get the Time Lord Victorious and everything he has to offer)) But I think there's still a huge base of self-confidence in him which can't be overlooked :rotate:

Writing he Doctor's POV must be harder than write Sherlock's, for example. It's very big and scary.
Yeah, your brain starts boiling even when you try to think of the timelines and the Doctor's view on time in general, but you can always have a shot :yes: The author actually did that and could've gone a bit further and I would've shut up. Probably :mosk:

Saying the beginning I meant the beginning of the fourth fic in the series, here it is: Leaves of Memory. In this concluding fic the Doctor himself is first introduced to the story.
Guess I have to have a look at it :hmm:

It is murderous: you see that you did wrong but you don't know which words to choose to make it right. And it's killing you.
We-e-ell, looking at it this way it's quite a torture... But the degree of impossibility is so high here that you might as well take it a bit easier... Maybe :rotate:

Have you heard that, by any chance? I heard it yesterday and loved it
:nechto: That's amazing :sunny: :laugh: :dance2:
:susp: :hmm: You know, the woman at the end was right, that was a great idea, it fits so well :heart:

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She's going to be a bit surprised, I guess :-D
I suppose, she is )) She doesn't probably know that I never forget what I promised.

There are several with the same plot? :wow: :-D
There are dozens and dozens with this feeble attempt of a plot )))

Seems like you have :eyebrow: :-D Well, you know the Doctor, he's a bad boy :smirk: :gigi:
He most certainly is :cheek: If he wasn't, would we still love him that much?

Yep, sanity is highly overrated :friend2:
Sure :yes: :sunny:

Daleks are capable of more than they realize Well, what you've heard was kind of true :D OK)))
Of course they are, Daleks are superior! I might think of it later on, when I have some time )))

One can get tired of that from time to time :rotate:
I don't think I ever will, so don't worry about it :) I appreciate clever and attentive people very much.

it's good that he doesn't, otherwise we get the Time Lord Victorious and everything he has to offer)) But I think there's still a huge base of self-confidence in him which can't be overlooked :rotate:
Oh yes, the Time Lord Victorious can give you some serious creeps.
And you're right, he has self-confidence. He knows his strong points (and weak points, if it comes to that).

The author actually did that and could've gone a bit further and I would've shut up. Probably :mosk:
There is always a "further" or two we didn't manage to reach - but we try. Like in Nikolay Rubtsov's verses:)

Guess I have to have a look at it :hmm:
Do it, but don't expect as much as in the "Long Night..." )

We-e-ell, looking at it this way it's quite a torture... But the degree of impossibility is so high here that you might as well take it a bit easier... Maybe :rotate:
If I take it easier, I should never do it at all, perhaps. It would be like looking at the Everest and thinking: oh, it's so high, I won't come to the top, no way - and I can as well climb a meter or two and stop there before any real difficulty begins.

That's amazing :sunny: :laugh: :dance2:
It is :cheek:
I love his voice, by the way, so it was a double pleasure to find this song amongst the 82 which I downloaded from prostopleer.com.

I also wanted to ask you - have you seen Weakest Link: Doctor Who Special? I saw it recently and found it way beyond hilarious and sweet :rotate:

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I suppose, she is )) She doesn't probably know that I never forget what I promised.
I rarely do either)) Some things still torture me :alles:

There are dozens and dozens with this feeble attempt of a plot )))
Well, PWP can have a certain... charm to it if you're in a right mood :gigi: Though it's quite strange there are no good, solid fics about them; Jack's character was introdused ages ago... I guess people get blnded somehow. Perhaps the Doctor shouldn't "defabricate" him after all :-D

If he wasn't, would we still love him that much?
Maybe not :-D

I don't think I ever will, so don't worry about it I appreciate clever and attentive people very much.
Oh, 'kay :shuffle2: :sunny:

Oh yes, the Time Lord Victorious can give you some serious creeps.
:yes: Good that he didn't last — one more point in favour of the Doctor :heart:

There is always a "further" or two we didn't manage to reach - but we try.
Oh, I think the number of these "furthers" is pretty endless, that's why I guess some people ask to physically stop them :rotate:

Like in Nikolay Rubtsov's verses
:wow: Woops! And what's in his verses? :) :shy: :shy:

It would be like looking at the Everest and thinking: oh, it's so high, I won't come to the top, no way - and I can as well climb a meter or two and stop there before any real difficulty begins.
Or you can go on climbing withi=out the fear of depression if you don't succeed :rotate:

so it was a double pleasure to find this song amongst the 82 which I downloaded from prostopleer.com.
:wow: Oh :laugh: Yeah, he's got a pleasant voice and an expressive one, totally worth it :yes:

I also wanted to ask you - have you seen Weakest Link: Doctor Who Special? I saw it recently and found it way beyond hilarious and sweet
It exists? :-D No, I haven't (only saw a gif with David introducing himself :gigi: ), might as well watch, thank you :sunny:

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Some things still torture me :alles:
They may torture you much longer than you imagine )

Well, PWP can have a certain... charm to it if you're in a right mood :gigi:
I'd be less indignant about it, I guess, if the authors didn't often skip sex :-D They often tell us about a smashing kiss and jump right through to the Doctor and Jack lying in bed sated and content )))

Though it's quite strange there are no good, solid fics about them; Jack's character was introdused ages ago...
Well, there are some, but not many. I have looked through half of what the Archive Of Our Own can offer (I would've done it faster, but yesterday I felt an urgent need to rewatch The Empty Child and as a result rewatched last five episodes of the first series and also The Christmas Invasion as I love this one greatly; and I still continue watching other shows with Tennant and also with Simm) and the results so far are the following: I've already seen a quarter of it on other resources, two quarters are rubbish ranging from utter to mild, and one quarter is more or less good - but not marvellous, alas.

:yes: Good that he didn't last — one more point in favour of the Doctor :heart:
Yes :heart:

:wow: Woops! And what's in his verses? :) :shy: :shy:
Well, I meant this one: Пальмы юга. It actually says about the humanity struggling to achieve new and new goals, never quiet, never satisfied, always so alive. Is there anything wrong with me referring to him?

Or you can go on climbing withi=out the fear of depression if you don't succeed :rotate:
It's natural - to feel fear. And there's the fact that I truly can't reach the top - I'm not strong enough.

:wow: Oh
If I see something I like, I try to take it :) I loved Barrowman's voice in a song of his that I heard by pure accident and I just downloaded in one go whatever I'd found.

It exists? :-D No, I haven't (only saw a gif with David introducing himself :gigi: ), might as well watch, thank you :sunny:
It does ))) His introduction is only a tiny bit of fun and wit you'd see there - they actually made my heart melt, especially Tennant (who could think he can be so shy in front of a camera after years of acting career?) :) You're welcome.

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They may torture you much longer than you imagine )
I don't like to believe you, but I know it's true :facepalm3: :-D

I'd be less indignant about it, I guess, if the authors didn't often skip sex They often tell us about a smashing kiss and jump right through to the Doctor and Jack lying in bed sated and content )))
Now that's a shame! :-D I've been actually thinking of my HP OTP (Lucius/Hermione, that is), it was mostly porn, but there was a plenty of good stuff (including the fics "they were lying in bed"), so I'm really surpriset at the lack of good Jack/Doctor fics :hmm:

and also The Christmas Invasion as I love this one greatly
Really?)) For what (well, apart from DT being introduced as the Doctor and his hand being cut off... and the tea :gigi: )? I'm just not a big fan of this Christmas Special :rotate:

Well, I meant this one: Пальмы юга. It actually says about the humanity struggling to achieve new and new goals, never quiet, never satisfied, always so alive.
Oh, I've never seen this one, so amazing :heart: Totally relevant :yes:

Is there anything wrong with me referring to him? Plus he's one of my favourute poets, and you need to do something truly extraordinary to be one because I'm not really into poetry :plush:

It's natural - to feel fear. And there's the fact that I truly can't reach the top - I'm not strong enough.
Well, think of the "Doctor Who" writers)) Not all of them are geniuses, but they do the job, and quite well, I'd say :)

If I see something I like, I try to take it
I'me learning to do something like that and not think it over a thousand times :crztuk:

His introduction is only a tiny bit of fun and wit you'd see there - they actually made my heart melt, especially Tennant
Sounds promising :lip: :lip: :lip:

(who could think he can be so shy in front of a camera after years of acting career?)
Well, there's quite a difference between pretending to be someone else and being yourself — apples and oranges as the dictionary tells me :gigi:

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Now that's a shame! :-D
Indeed it is :-D

so I'm really surpriset at the lack of good Jack/Doctor fics :hmm:
Maybe, I'm too demanding ))
Although what's disappointing - many authors just mention something platonic or not very much so that Jack feels for the Doctor, but the Doctor himself never turns up and the text appears to be almost purely a Torchwood fic with dominating pairing Jack/Ianto. I don't really object, they are a nice couple, but with my expectations ruined I feel truly disappointed.

Really?)) For what (well, apart from DT being introduced as the Doctor and his hand being cut off... and the tea :gigi: )? I'm just not a big fan of this Christmas Special :rotate:
Dunno, actually. Love doesn't always have an explanation ))) I see all disadvantages of the episode, its straightforwardness and all. I love the feeling of a new life which comes with Tennant firstly introduced - residue regeneration energy or not, he's bursting and sparkling with his newly acquired life contrasting with Eccleston (nothing wrong with the latter, but could you ever call him sparkling like that?). Here are also important tips on his relationship with Rose, his face when he says "it is defended" (he's at the same time the Doctor there and that little touching fanboy who dreamed of being the Doctor and his dream was put into his hands all shining like a star), the song accompanying his choice of a new outfit at the end of the episode... many little things which somehow captured my heart.
There are two my favourite episodes of DW ever, and they are The Christmas Invasion and The Runaway Bride. I just love them, I assume. Don't really know what it says about me and my taste, but I couldn't care less )))

Oh, I've never seen this one, so amazing :heart:
Yes, I love it. Actually, I know it by heart.

Plus he's one of my favourute poets, and you need to do something truly extraordinary to be one because I'm not really into poetry :plush:
He's wonderful :yes: Who else do you like, by the way?

Well, think of the "Doctor Who" writers)) Not all of them are geniuses, but they do the job, and quite well, I'd say :)
I think of them, but it doesn't really help. I'm not going to write an episode of the show exactly, am I )))

I'me learning to do something like that and not think it over a thousand times :crztuk:
Well, when it comes to the music, for instance, there's not much to think of provided you have a good broadband and some spare room on your hard drive :)

Well, there's quite a difference between pretending to be someone else and being yourself
There most certainly is, but he was the only one that adorably shy. If you watch, compare his behavior to that of John Barrowman abd Noel Clarke, for example. They felt absolutely free standing there, joking, answering the hostess' questions, but Tennant was surely being shy. Compare the way Barrowman answers the question "So, does Captain Jack like men or women?" and Tennant answers the question (asked with a certain quirk of the brow) "Is it your right, dear, to be sexy in the show?"

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many authors just mention something platonic or not very much so that Jack feels for the Doctor, but the Doctor himself never turns up and the text appears to be almost purely a Torchwood fic with dominating pairing Jack/Ianto.
But it's enough to mention the Doctor/Jack pairing in the header (?) ? Disappointing, yeah. It's almost like when you're going to read a fic about the characters in a certain pairing and you do get them, only through some other character's eyes :facepalm3: The fic can be really good, but it would definitely be centered on that character instead of the pairing

he's bursting and sparkling with his newly acquired life contrasting with Eccleston (nothing wrong with the latter, but could you ever call him sparkling like that?)
Yes, I guess that's the main difference between their Doctors :yes:

There are two my favourite episodes of DW ever, and they are The Christmas Invasion and The Runaway Bride. I just love them, I assume. Don't really know what it says about me and my taste, but I couldn't care less )))
Maybe it says that sometimes it's simple things that count :rotate: And I do love Donna for not going with the Doctor at the end :yes: :heart:
My all time favourite DW Episode will be Vincent and the Doctor and it says everything about me :-D And this guy has a red beard :inlove: , and "My God, where did they find him???!!!" :nechto: And I've watched it only once, but what am I to do with myself? :rotate:

He's wonderful
:hmm: Wanted to find some characteristic of him, and all I can say is "simple elegance", and "purity" maybe — looks like I cannot ask for more :sunny:

Who else do you like, by the way?
Anna Akhmatova))) I still cherish a dream to learn her Requiem by heart :alles:

I'm not going to write an episode of the show exactly, am I )))
Well... You seem to be planning something of the kind, actually :-D

Well, when it comes to the music, for instance, there's not much to think of provided you have a good broadband and some spare room on your hard drive
Yeah :-D Recently I've found out that I like electronic music, so I downloaded the whole The Glitch Mob album and am listening to it like that :crazylove: Not going any further, that is :crztuk:

There most certainly is, but he was the only one that adorably shy.
Now I definitely wanna watch it :inlove: But some things totally depend on a person, of course :lol:

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But it's enough to mention the Doctor/Jack pairing in the header (?) ?
Enough, unfortunately. Although everything I've been talking about here is not that bad. I saw a fic with Mary-Sue (the main characters listed were the Doctor and Jack, and I didn't suspect anything at first).
That. Was. A. Nightmare. Hope I won't meet something like that any more.

Maybe it says that sometimes it's simple things that count :rotate:
Maybe :)

And I do love Donna for not going with the Doctor at the end :yes: :heart:
Me too. And I love her for her attitude to the Doctor in general. She was the only one to become his true friend without romantic complications; she treated him... healthyly.

My all time favourite DW Episode will be Vincent and the Doctor and it says everything about me :-D And this guy has a red beard :inlove:
I hate beards in general, to be honest )) But I loved Vincent in the episode, he was such a nice guy.
Although, the one Vincent I prefer to any other Vincents is Benedict Cumberbatch's one :)

Wanted to find some characteristic of him, and all I can say is "simple elegance", and "purity" maybe — looks like I cannot ask for more :sunny:
"Purity" suits him perfectly :sunny:

Anna Akhmatova))) I still cherish a dream to learn her Requiem by heart :alles:
Why don't you do that, then? :)

Well... You seem to be planning something of the kind, actually :-D
Well, I'm actually not ))) You know me. I never have a plan. Whatever I write, in meanwhile I don't have a clue how to tie the odds and ends together, what will happen to the characters next time, etc. It just either flows or not.

Now I definitely wanna watch it :inlove: But some things totally depend on a person, of course :lol:
Will you share your impressions after watching? )))

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I saw a fic with Mary-Sue (the main characters listed were the Doctor and Jack, and I didn't suspect anything at first).
That. Was. A. Nightmare. Hope I won't meet something like that any more.

Oh, the things I'm imagining now... :lol:

Me too. And I love her for her attitude to the Doctor in general. She was the only one to become his true friend without romantic complications; she treated him... healthyly.
"You're not mating with me, sunshine!" :-D :-D
The more terrible is the end of her relationship with the Doctor(( In a way it seems like a writer's suicide, to destroy all the fruits of the character's development, but nevertheless it could've happened.

Why don't you do that, then?
No idea :gigi: Haven't been in a mood crazy enough, perhaps? :-D

Well, I'm actually not ))) You know me. I never have a plan. Whatever I write, in meanwhile I don't have a clue how to tie the odds and ends together, what will happen to the characters next time, etc. It just either flows or not.
I know that, but what if some little thought has already inhibited the back of your mind? :smirk: :rotate:

Will you share your impressions after watching? )))
Of course, if you like :yes:

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Oh, the things I'm imagining now... :lol:
Do you imagine a Mary-Sue who has a chronolobe - a part of brain which is responsible for feeling time like the Time Lords do it? Oh, the Doctor was most fascinated by her, no doubt, by the end of the second chapter (I didn't go any further, though). I wish someone could help me unsee that.

"You're not mating with me, sunshine!" :-D :-D
I love this conversation ))) And the line about long skinny alien nothing too :rotate:

The more terrible is the end of her relationship with the Doctor(( In a way it seems like a writer's suicide, to destroy all the fruits of the character's development
In a way - maybe. But she's still Donna whether she remembers or not.

Haven't been in a mood crazy enough, perhaps? :-D
Probably :cheek:

I know that, but what if some little thought has already inhibited the back of your mind? :smirk: :rotate:
Well, I've got pictures of them together in my mind. Jack and the Doctor. In the TARDIS mostly. Talking, repairing the TARDIS, laughing, kissing; happy, frightened, uncertain, angry, busy, calm, confused. Sometimes they are not alone, but I'm not quite sure who the others are - Martha, Donna, the duplicate, Ianto, the Master? Not more than pictures which don't refer to any particular story.
Maybe I just love them too much to put it into words.

Of course, if you like :yes:
I would appreciate that greatly :)

Speaking of stories - I found a very good one, not the Doctor/Jack, but with Ianto as the centre of the story, with pairings Jack/Ianto and Ianto/Ianto (and this one doesn't imply masturbation, I must say). It's a very profound angsty text. The events begin somewhere in between Utopia and The Sound of Drums, when Saxon sends the whole of Torchwood Three to the Himalayas - but it's an AU: Ianto stays behind, to monitor the Rift and look after the Hub. It's big one, but for me it was well worth more than just the time I spent reading. It's Paradox in case you'd like to follow my recommendation.

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Do you imagine a Mary-Sue who has a chronolobe - a part of brain which is responsible for feeling time like the Time Lords do it? Oh, the Doctor was most fascinated by her, no doubt, by the end of the second chapter (I didn't go any further, though).
:wow: :-D Now that was beyond my imagination :laugh: A chronolobe... is it something you're born with or do you acquire it somehow? :mosk:

I wish someone could help me unsee that.
I definitely can't, but... I'm now downloading Band of Brothers TV series, that's where the Andrew Scott's photo you used for The Photoalbum comes from, and cutting the long story short I can post the caps of him if you have any wish to see them (if there's enough of them, that is :rotate: ) :yes:

And the line about long skinny alien nothing too
"Skinny", the worst thing in the Doctor according to Donna :-D :-D

I'm not quite sure who the others are - Martha, Donna, the duplicate, Ianto, the Master?
... Or they could babysit the little River :shy: :crztuk: :facepalm3:

Maybe I just love them too much to put it into words.
"Words are only painted fire..." Also, Mr. Tutchev was right, too :-D
And sometimes putting something into words makes it less... yours I guess :yes:

... It's Paradox in case you'd like to follow my recommendation.
Alright, we'll see))) Ianto again, heh? :-D

And now I'm definitely off to watch The Weakest Link, I might need it :alles::alles:

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:wow: :-D Now that was beyond my imagination :laugh: A chronolobe... is it something you're born with or do you acquire it somehow? :mosk:
Well, as far as I understood, humans are born with it, but they don't use it - and for some enigmatic reason this Mary-Sue got it working at full capacity.

and cutting the long story short I can post the caps of him if you have any wish to see them
That would be really lovely :heart:

"Skinny", the worst thing in the Doctor according to Donna :-D :-D
:-D :yes: And his jacket is no good for her 'cause he's as skinny as a rat ))))

And sometimes putting something into words makes it less... yours I guess :yes:
Sometimes it just makes it less. That's what I'm afraid of.

Alright, we'll see))) Ianto again, heh? :-D
Yeah :) I rather like him. He's.. crazy in the right DW-Torchwood way. And when an author picks him up properly, I like it.

And now I'm definitely off to watch The Weakest Link, I might need it :alles::alles:
Oh! I'm glad for you :) Hope, it will an experience as charming for you as it was for me :cheek:
I'm starting a new (pretty old, actually, he's truly young there) TV-show with Tennant now (Takin' Over the Asylum), if I for a chance don't answer - I'm fully absorbed in the story :)

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Well, as far as I understood, humans are born with it, but they don't use it - and for some enigmatic reason this Mary-Sue got it working at full capacity.
She must be a mutant :umnik: :laugh:

That would be really lovely
Hope I'd manage by the end of July :alles: But anyway, you know that I won't forget :-D

And his jacket is no good for her 'cause he's as skinny as a rat ))))
The jacket too?! Poor jacket :-D I somehow don't remember that :rotate:

Sometimes it just makes it less. That's what I'm afraid of.
And then it's hard to go back to what it has been?))

Yeah I rather like him. He's.. crazy in the right DW-Torchwood way. And when an author picks him up properly, I like it.
A quiet, crazy guy — what's not to like? :-D And if I can judge by Long night..., and according to you I can, i like him, too :sunny: And he's a good choice for Jack if you think about it)))

I'm starting a new (pretty old, actually, he's truly young there) TV-show with Tennant now (Takin' Over the Asylum), if I for a chance don't answer - I'm fully absorbed in the story
OK)) I saw a clip from it, and if I understood it right — English humour rocks :-D

Now, I've watched The Weakest Link, and I'll hide it all under the cut...

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She must be a mutant :umnik: :laugh:
Maybe. I don't really want to know anything about it )))

Hope I'd manage by the end of July :alles: But anyway, you know that I won't forget :-D
Well, I'll be back somewhere after the fifth of August (and maybe there will be some Wi-Fi in where I'm going, but I'm not really sure), so you take your time :)

And then it's hard to go back to what it has been?))
No. It's just hard to make pictures words; to turn what you saw and felt and heard into a story. Like translating from Chinese into Hungarian.

A quiet, crazy guy — what's not to like? :-D And if I can judge by Long night..., and according to you I can, i like him, too :sunny: And he's a good choice for Jack if you think about it)))
RTD wouldn't choose for Jack a wrong guy, wouldn't he? )))And it's a good description of him - quiet and crazy. Some SPOILERS about Ianto (in case you ever watch Torchwood): he's a survivor of Canary Wharf (remember - when Torchwood One messed up with the Cybermen and Daleks, and Rose got stuck in the parallel universe); his girlfriend Lisa worked there too, and got turned into a Cyberwoman almost fully. Ianto loved her - he took her and hid in the basements of Torchwood Three - tried to cure her, turn the process back, invited doctors and professors, and even Jack didn't have a single idea of what was going on. Later some tragic events happened, and the truth was revealed, but it was then, I guess, when he charmed me properly - I was astonished by the contrast between his soft quiet face and the passion, and neverending loyalty, and strong will inside him.

I saw a clip from it, and if I understood it right — English humour rocks :-D
Believe me, it does :rotate: I'm done with this show, actually, it's only six one-hour episodes and a ten-minutes bonus with Tennant's audition for the role (and the level of his cuteness when he's young is equal to the ditto level of ten thousand kittens - and there are several kittens in the show, so everyone can compare )))).
This is a wonderful job, this show :sunny:

OH MY GOD THAT WAS HILARIOUS FR- sorry, ahem, from the very beginning till the very end, oh God
Glad that I recommended you to watch it )))) Your impressions match mine very precisely )))

and did you notice they never picked David till the very end? :-D
Yes, I did :cheek: And did you notice how warm and loving the hostess' voice was when she told him: "you were gorgeous"? :heart:

that was clearly too much to have in one go :crzfan: :crzfan: :vse:
You can always rewatch :cheek: That was amazing and fantastic, wasn't it :heart:

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Maybe. I don't really want to know anything about it )))
:-D

No. It's just hard to make pictures words; to turn what you saw and felt and heard into a story. Like translating from Chinese into Hungarian.
Well, some people may find translating from Chinese to Hungarian easier :-D But words are too rough, yeah. And despite them containing oh so many meanings, they rarely contain the right one. And I suppose, the language of feelings is much more different from the language of words than two spoken languages can ever be.

RTD wouldn't choose for Jack a wrong guy, wouldn't he? )))
Nah, who'd want to hurt Jack? :sunny: You did finish watching Torchwood, didn't you?))

he's a survivor of Canary Wharf...
Oh. That's a real strong character development and a damn good reason to watch the show :lip: :lip:

and even Jack didn't have a single idea of what was going on.
Now that's a profit from being quiet: noone ever knows what you're doing until dead bodies are about to appear :alles:

and the level of his cuteness when he's young is equal to the ditto level of ten thousand kittens - and there are several kittens in the show, so everyone can compare )))).
*sings* Love is in the a-a-a-a-a-a-air... :nud: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I absolutely believe you though :nechto:

Glad that I recommended you to watch it )))) Your impressions match mine very precisely )))
:buddy: :drink:

And did you notice how warm and loving the hostess' voice was when she told him: "you were gorgeous"?
:yes: And so he was)))

You can always rewatch
But I'll have to brace myself to to that I gather :buh: :-D

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And I suppose, the language of feelings is much more different from the language of words than two spoken languages can ever be.
It actually is. And mabe I should wait till the feeling stop being so sore and raw and will be more suitable for translation.

Nah, who'd want to hurt Jack? :sunny:
Why not? He can't die. So they can torture him forever for the sake of dramatic moments, such a convenient character who has nowhere to escape to ))

You did finish watching Torchwood, didn't you?))Though he did kill Ianto, if I heard it right :hmm: But they say, it was for the show's own good :rotate:
Yes, I watched all three seasons of Torchwood and have already seen the first episode of the fourth season which is currently aired.
Ianto was killed in the third season - not directly by Jack. It had a great emotional impact though, and I think that fitted the atmosphere of the story.

That's a real strong character development and a damn good reason to watch the show :lip: :lip:
It's good you're interested :) Would be nice to talk to you about this show too having the same background.

Now that's a profit from being quiet: noone ever knows what you're doing until dead bodies are about to appear :alles:
Oh yes ))) That's exactly what happened. Ianto's first and most important duty at Torchwood - to clean up after the others. When there is evidence of fight with aliens, some damage which arises questions of citizens, a need to decide some little conflict with other governemental organizations, etc, etc - he deals with that. Supplies, sorting the archives, cleaning the Hub, brewing coffee, many more other things - it's him who does that. Almost invisible, always efficient and correct, making others' life easier and more comfortable - he can do anything he wants and noone will ever know, because that's what he does best - cleaning up and covering up. But he's to pay for such freedom of actions.
I like this song. I think it rather suits him.


*sings* Love is in the a-a-a-a-a-a-air... :nud: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Am I wrong, or is there also some mockery in the air?))) Perhaps I deserve that, being a desperately crazy fangirl.

:yes: And so he was)))
Yes :) After watching him as himself I grew to love even better the RPS texts I read. What I saw and what I read match very nicely.

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And mabe I should wait till the feeling stop being so sore and raw and will be more suitable for translation.
Maybe :) You have every right to savour it as long as you want :sunny:

Why not? He can't die. So they can torture him forever for the sake of dramatic moments, such a convenient character who has nowhere to escape to ))
But he's such a nice guy! :rotate: I'd feel extremely bad having to hurt him... too often :gigi: Besides, if I'm not mistaken, he's already trapped in the XXI century — and that's bad enough :laugh:

not directly by Jack.
:wow: I feel, I should watch it :alles:
And how's Episode 4x01?))) I'm curious now :plush: :shuffle2:

It's good you're interested Would be nice to talk to you about this show too having the same background.
*looks at the number of episodes* :hmm: Well, it doesn't sound impossible :rotate:

When there is evidence of fight with aliens, some damage which arises questions of citizens, a need to decide some little conflict with other governemental organizations, etc, etc - he deals with that.
A challenging job :yes:

Almost invisible, always efficient and correct, making others' life easier and more comfortable - he can do anything he wants and noone will ever know, because that's what he does best - cleaning up and covering up. But he's to pay for such freedom of actions.
Invisibility is a treasure... :yes: And a curse maybe.

Am I wrong, or is there also some mockery in the air?)))
Good Lord, of course not! :smirk: :smirk: :-D :-D But I'm a crazy fangirl, too — that's something one cannot fight, I guess :drink:

Yes After watching him as himself I grew to love even better the RPS texts I read. What I saw and what I read match very nicely.
The authors must've watched a lot of his interviews then :-D
Can't help it: and what's the average rating of these fics? :rotate:

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You have every right to savour it as long as you want :sunny:
There's a chance of my feelings to burn before I can transform them into words - so all this will have come to nothing.

But he's such a nice guy! :rotate:
The nicer - the better! )))

I'd feel extremely bad having to hurt him... too often :gigi: Besides, if I'm not mistaken, he's already trapped in the XXI century — and that's bad enough :laugh:
See, you are already catching up with the idea of torturing Jack :-D He's not really trapped. He has his Vortex Manipulator and a way to contact the Doctor, so he can leave any moment, but he doesn't. Love, responsibility and duty keep him on the Earth.

:wow: I feel, I should watch it :alles:
:smirk:

And how's Episode 4x01?))) I'm curious now :plush: :shuffle2:
I liked it, I guess. RTD sсript, Murrey Gold music, Jack's blinding grin - what else could one wish?))) Well, to be serious, It was good, captivating and all in all interesting. A bit different from the first two seasons, but it was like in that conversation in The Christmas Invasion between the Doctor and Rose:
- How do I look?
- I dunno... different.
- Good different or bad different?
- Just different.

Well, it doesn't sound impossible :rotate:
Good :sunny:

Invisibility is a treasure... :yes: And a curse maybe.
For Ianto it turned out to be more of a curse, I presume.

Good Lord, of course not! :smirk: :smirk: :-D :-D But I'm a crazy fangirl, too — that's something one cannot fight, I guess :drink:
It's really hard to fight, yeah ))

The authors must've watched a lot of his interviews then :-D
Maybe ))) Although from my own experience I can say that interviews don't really help RPS-writers much - the interviewed one is ready for conversation and looks in the camera, and all in all it's not natural enough. It's better to watch them in shows like The Weakest Link or others, and watch films with them - to catch amongst dozens of roles unique real features and quirks of the actor in question, like Tennant's touching his earlobe when he talks to someone and feels puzzled.
God, when I talk about it, it looks truly pathetic - such enormous love and affection and attention all for a person that I'm never even going to see in the flesh.

Can't help it: and what's the average rating of these fics? :rotate:
Well, they are different - every rating you like. I haven't read that much, though, but I can say that the smaller the rating is, the more pitiful is the story; if there's no rating, then there are girlish moans and suffering of some strange men who are for some unknown reason have the same names as David Tennant, John Simm and John Barrowman - this is the rule which worked well for all the stories I saw. So far I explored all that there is for Simm/Tennant and just planned to look for more than several Tennant/Barrowman.

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There's a chance of my feelings to burn before I can transform them into words - so all this will have come to nothing.
And then it may be reignited into something wordly and translatable))) There's such a possibility too :yes:

The nicer - the better! )))
The nicer — the angst'er, you mean? :smirk: :lol:

See, you are already catching up with the idea of torturing Jack
Heh, I like torturing my characters, too :gigi: Though I still remember how I practically killed off eighteen innocent people :-/ :crztuk:

He's not really trapped. He has his Vortex Manipulator and a way to contact the Doctor, so he can leave any moment, but he doesn't. Love, responsibility and duty keep him on the Earth.
That's better :yes: More freedom then))) And, by the way, it must be interesting to go three centuries back and live there for a while :rotate:

I liked it, I guess.
OK))) :smirk:

Murrey Gold music
My God, is this man a whoniverse slave or something? :lol: :lol:

Maybe ))) Although from my own experience I can say that interviews don't really help RPS-writers much - the interviewed one is ready for conversation and looks in the camera, and all in all it's not natural enough.
Well, yeah, it's a very good question how much of the interview has been acted out or prepared but there always are things you can spot, quite meaningful things perhaps (or perhaps not :crznope: )
A-a-and whom did your experience concern, if you don't mind my asking? :shy: :rotate:

God, when I talk about it, it looks truly pathetic - such enormous love and affection and attention all for a person that I'm never even going to see in the flesh.
Huh, who cares about meetings in the flesh? :rotate: He's an interesting man :lip:
I remember I had a crush on Gerard Butler once (Scottish men, heh? :eyebrow: :-D ). That was ba-a-ad, he suddenly started to appear in every upcoming movie, couldn't find any peace on the Internet then :facepalm3: And there's Jose Mourinho, whom I really admire amd respect, who left Italy last summer looking alright and several months later emerged looking all ill, tired, and miserable and my heart aches when I see him(((
:beer:

I haven't read that much, though, but I can say that the smaller the rating is, the more pitiful is the story;
Less talking, more sex :gigi: :gigi: Though you need some character study even for an NC-17 fic, I guess :rotate:

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And then it may be reignited into something wordly and translatable))) There's such a possibility too :yes:
The future is in the flux, anything might happen :)

Though I still remember how I practically killed off eighteen innocent people :-/ :crztuk:
Must have been an exciting experience )))

And, by the way, it must be interesting to go three centuries back and live there for a while :rotate:
Three? Why three?

My God, is this man a whoniverse slave or something? :lol: :lol:
I hope it's a consent slavery, and he loves to be a whoniverse slave :-D

Well, yeah, it's a very good question how much of the interview has been acted out or prepared but there always are things you can spot, quite meaningful things perhaps
Yes, there are. These things might be useful, but they are hard to distinguish from the artificial ones.

A-a-and whom did your experience concern, if you don't mind my asking? :shy: :rotate:
Sorry, I'd like to leave this part of my past behind me ) There are no links to that period of my life, no traces of my old nickname, and the resource wasn't diary.ru - it doesn't actually matter now. New Earth, new me (c). I don't like thinking of that time.

Huh, who cares about meetings in the flesh? :rotate:
Well, not many people care. But it still feels so vain.

I had a crush on Gerard Butler once (Scottish men, heh? :eyebrow: :-D )
Scottish men have some unexplainable air of charm about them, haven't they? )))

That was ba-a-ad, he suddenly started to appear in every upcoming movie
Speaking of someone who suddenly appears in every upxcoming movie - all of a sudden it's MacAvoy whom I see all the time recently in shows and films where I don't expect him. State of Play or Bright Young Things, for example. Illogical as it is, I like him greatly there, but when someone in my fav. page mentions X-men, I feel really sick.

Less talking, more sex :gigi: :gigi:
No, I didn't mean that. It's just that NC-17 stories on the resource I explored appeared to have more character study, more of atmosphere, more of true to life liability even if those were only PWPs. Strange tendency, but so it was.

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The future is in the flux, anything might happen
"Time is not a straight line. It's a big bowl of wibbly-wobbly..." :-D

Must have been an exciting experience )))
Ye-e-e-ah :facepalm3: I remember watching one Steven Moffat interview in which he talked about the identity of River Song (Good Lord, I've just blurted it out like a collocation — moffucked, definitely :-D ), and the way he said that we were going to learn it at a very crucial moment, the tone in which he said it matched my feelings towards those poor fic-characters so well, that I instantly believed him. Didn't feel it watching the Episode though :hmm: , but we ain't learnt nothing yet I gather :gigi:

Three? Why three?
Sh*t. Thirty centuries back, of course :crztuk: :hul:

I hope it's a consent slavery, and he loves to be a whoniverse slave
Me too :friend2: :-D

Sorry, I'd like to leave this part of my past behind me )
Whatever you say :yes:

But it still feels so vain.
:yes:

Scottish men have some unexplainable air of charm about them, haven't they? )))
Oh, they have :heart: And don't forget certain Messrs Doyle and Moffat, who brought us here in the first place :rotate: This unexplainable air of charm seems to spread over all the personality levels :sunny: (if one can pu it this way, that is :gigi: )

peaking of someone who suddenly appears in every upxcoming movie - all of a sudden it's MacAvoy whom I see all the time recently in shows and films where I don't expect him. State of Play or Bright Young Things, for example. Illogical as it is, I like him greatly there, but when someone in my fav. page mentions X-men, I feel really sick.
I warned you that he does that)))) Welcome to the club :friend2: :-D And he's usually amazing, yes :sunny:
BTW, did you like State of Play in general? 'Cause I think read one not very positive review and now I'm curious :rotate:

upxcoming movie
Oka-a-ay, it's definitely better that I shut up)) :shv:

It's just that NC-17 stories on the resource I explored appeared to have more character study, more of atmosphere, more of true to life liability even if those were only PWPs. Strange tendency, but so it was.
There is such a tendency and it is strange. Perhaps those fics are that good due to the atmosphere, the tension. The author captures something in a person/character, the spirit maybe and centers the story around it or saws it in the fabric of the story, and it tastes better. Or maybe it's luck and the authors we come across are just that good or maybe it's 2 a.m. here :alles:
Anyway when it's more tension and less... let's say inner monologues it's better, for me at least. It might sometimes even be real OOC, but I won't care))

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"Time is not a straight line. It's a big bowl of wibbly-wobbly..." :-D
...timey-wimey stuff :yes: ))))

Didn't feel it watching the Episode though :hmm:
Me neither. Despite Moffat's best efforts, I didn't feel like I was witnessing something crucial and of a great scale.

Thirty centuries back, of course :crztuk: :hul:
Well, if you go thirty centuries back, there's little chance that you'll encounter something of great interest )))

And don't forget certain Messrs Doyle and Moffat, who brought us here in the first place :rotate: This unexplainable air of charm seems to spread over all the personality levels :sunny:
And there's no place to escape for us :-D

And he's usually amazing, yes :sunny:
He is, he has a great talent :) He's charming too. I like his smug smile and bright eyes.

BTW, did you like State of Play in general? 'Cause I think read one not very positive review and now I'm curious :rotate:
I did. I like politics, I like mysteries. I like stories when people get caught in webs of their own lies and their lives get shattered and ruined because of that. I like watching people with principles, strong-willed active clever people, and that's what I saw in State of Play. And John Simm, Bill Nighy, James MacAvoy, David Morrissey and others were absolutely amazing in their performance.

Oka-a-ay, it's definitely better that I shut up)) :shv:
Oh, gosh! :-D Never noticed that misprint, sorry )))

The author captures something in a person/character, the spirit maybe and centers the story around it or saws it in the fabric of the story, and it tastes better. Or maybe it's luck and the authors we come across are just that good or maybe it's 2 a.m. here :alles:
Well, it's certainly not 2 a.m. here at my place (but I'm not telling you what time it is as you were going to find out yourself :D ). But I think luck also has nothing to do with that - to find something good I had to look through piles and piles of rubbish. If you want I can recommend you the story I loved best from RPS Tennant/Simm - it's of high rating, and sex means much there in a lot of ways, but it's really much more than just physical; the site requires registration, but it's worth it. The story goes back to the beginning of 90s, when both Tennant and Simm were in drama schools. Simm has to work as a dancer in a bar to get money for his tuition fee (and this is a true fact of which he confessed in an interview) and Tennant needs also to get some money for that fee of his own - and he does a really desperate thing (which is pure fiction as far as we know)... interested?)))

Anyway when it's more tension and less... let's say inner monologues it's better, for me at least. It might sometimes even be real OOC, but I won't care))
Well, it's the inner monologues which most often appear to be total OOC, so for me it's way better without them. Also I don't like the idea of monologues in itself - I like to see for myself what's going on in the character's mind.

I do sound a bit overly jolly as of late, don't I? Hell. Mood jumps, sorry about that)
Don't worry, if your moods bothered me, I'd tell you :)

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Me neither. Despite Moffat's best efforts, I didn't feel like I was witnessing something crucial and of a great scale.
It was amazing and... positive, positive through and through :D It might get clearer when we see what happened to the girl (and we actually don't know that yet).

Well, if you go thirty centuries back, there's little chance that you'll encounter something of great interest )))
Who knows :rotate: But it'll certainly be more dangerous :-D

He is, he has a great talent He's charming too. I like his smug smile and bright eyes.
:yes: And I like the way he talks about his characters as though he truly wants to make them real :heart:

I like stories when people get caught in webs of their own lies and their lives get shattered and ruined because of that.
Some kind of psychological thriller then, right? :lip:

And John Simm, Bill Nighy, James MacAvoy, David Morrissey and others were absolutely amazing in their performance.
Someone's being wicked now :smirk:

Oh, gosh! Never noticed that misprint, sorry )))
The message from Uncle Freud arrived safely :-D

(but I'm not telling you what time it is as you were going to find out yourself )
I guess it was late enough for me to really wonder what you were doing here :gigi:

... interested?)))
Someone's definitely being wicked now :smirk: Well, since RPS is practically a part of my life now, then OK :D

Well, it's the inner monologues which most often appear to be total OOC, so for me it's way better without them. Also I don't like the idea of monologues in itself - I like to see for myself what's going on in the character's mind.
:yes: To join the pieces of the puzzle carefully scattered around be the author :heart: But monologues can be good too, when what the character says/thinks is absolutely different and quite the opposite to what really happens :lip:

Don't worry, if your moods bothered me, I'd tell you
Good)) But it started to bother me :alles:

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It might get clearer when we see what happened to the girl (and we actually don't know that yet).
I honestly hope the feeling would be clearer and more powerful when we see the whole picture. In case we are ever going to see the whole picture, that is :rotate:

But it'll certainly be more dangerous :-D
That's for sure. Not a single time-travel we saw so far happened to have been a pleasant careless walk )))

And I like the way he talks about his characters as though he truly wants to make them real :heart:
Haven't heard that - never saw his interviews. But I believe he does that.

Some kind of psychological thriller then, right? :lip:
Not really a thriller, it's more of a detective story with inclination to politics. But it is thrilling, I give the show that :)

Someone's being wicked now :smirk:
It seems to me, I know exactly who that would be :cheek:

The message from Uncle Freud arrived safely :-D
Didn't it just ))))

I guess it was late enough for me to really wonder what you were doing here :gigi:
I can't help but ask what you nmean saying "what you were doing here". What I was doing where?

Someone's definitely being wicked now :smirk:
That's a fact, I suppose :smirk:

then OK :D
Well, the site is here: Human Nature: The Doctor Who RPF Archive. As soon as you registrate and login you will be automatically redirected to the page of your profile. There you shall click "Edit preferences" line and tick the "yes" box under the statement claiming that you are an adult and you know what you are doing, and save this change. After that you can just click this link to the fic itself: Broke Straight Scottish Boy.

But monologues can be good too, when what the character says/thinks is absolutely different and quite the opposite to what really happens :lip:
Everything is good when it's not superfluous and artificial, monologues being no exception :)

Good)) But it started to bother me :alles:
You can always deal with them :)

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In case we are ever going to see the whole picture, that is
:-D :-D Oh yes, there's danger of never finding it out — you know how rapidly these universes are expanding in your head :alles: And everything is certainly very tricky inside Mr. Moffat's head :-D

That's for sure. Not a single time-travel we saw so far happened to have been a pleasant careless walk )))
Maybe these adventure addicts just don't like to talk about such cases :-D

Haven't heard that - never saw his interviews. But I believe he does that.
He actually makes an impression of quite a serious guy, thiugh it's not easy to explain what my impressions are based on :rotate:

Not really a thriller, it's more of a detective story with inclination to politics. But it is thrilling, I give the show that
:hmm: Intense then? Sounds good)))

I can't help but ask what you nmean saying "what you were doing here". What I was doing where?
Hanging around on the Internet I mean)) For, if I'm not mistaken, in your area it was so late one could say it was early :vv:

That's a fact, I suppose
And an undeniable one, mind you :smirk: :laugh:

Well, the site is here: Human Nature: The Doctor Who RPF Archive...
"Human Nature", how very appropriate)) Well, obviously the Doctor brakes not only your moral code :buddy:

Everything is good when it's not superfluous and artificial, monologues being no exception
I guess so :yes: Quality cam make almost anything look good :rotate:

You can always deal with them
If only :facepalm3: It's quite difficult, if not next to impossible.

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And everything is certainly very tricky inside Mr. Moffat's head :-D
This is the only certain thing we can figure out with Mr. Moffat :rotate:

Maybe these adventure addicts just don't like to talk about such cases :-D
Well, maybe, but they are called addicts not for nothing - I assume, if the trouble doen't look for them, they run after it :)

He actually makes an impression of quite a serious guy, thiugh it's not easy to explain what my impressions are based on :rotate:
Just a feeling then, intuition. A ground to judge a person as reasonable as any other actually.

:hmm: Intense then? Sounds good)))
Yeah, intense is a good word. And the show was really fascinating for me - that was just my cup of tea.

Hanging around on the Internet I mean)) For, if I'm not mistaken, in your area it was so late one could say it was early :vv:
Wow, you are attentive, young lady :) If I'm not mistaken, I said those words quite a long time ago, but nevertheless you remember.
What was I doing hanging around the Internet so late that one could say it was early? Reading, watching, collecting and chewing information, making assumptions and cross-references in my mind, sorting thoughts from feelings and stuff from rubbish. Also - most evident answer - talking to you :)

And an undeniable one, mind you :smirk: :laugh:
Can't help it ))) Who's going to deny a fact that obvious, anyway :smirk:

"Human Nature", how very appropriate)) Well, obviously the Doctor brakes not only your moral code :buddy:
I loved the name too :)
Moral code? I don't think of this strange collocation anymore ))))

It's quite difficult, if not next to impossible.
Well, look at the question from a different angle then. Do you really need to deal with them? Why do they bother you?

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This is the only certain thing we can figure out with Mr. Moffat
Oh, yes :-D And also he's a big fan of DW, so it all can get really crazy :crzdance:

I assume, if the trouble doen't look for them, they run after it
Probably :yes: Like, it's such a quiet neighbourhood, we'll just walk here and then visit the Olympic games opening ceremony, nice and quiet... oh, wait, why is there no children? not one?.. Let's look at the grass... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Just a feeling then, intuition. A ground to judge a person as reasonable as any other actually.
Well, sometimes you do notice some little things, expressions, reactions and recognize them, and it seems like you know what a person thinks at that monent :crznope: You might as well be right :rotate:

Wow, you are attentive, young lady If I'm not mistaken, I said those words quite a long time ago, but nevertheless you remember.
Well, that's not that impressive actually; I just know that you have a different time zone and for some reason keep it in my mind almost all the time I'm talking to you (simple maths, I guess I'm addicted to it :gigi: You don't wanna know what I've been doing to numbers on bus tickets for a very long time, you really don't :mosk: ). Plus, I just scrolled the page up to check for the exact time, though I did remember that it was really late. Er, does it sound very strange? o_O :shy: :str:
So-o, when I see you on the Internet this late I worry a bit that you won't get enough sleep and... ye-e-eah, I'm shutting up :shuffle2:

Can't help it ))) Who's going to deny a fact that obvious, anyway
We-e-ell,if I finish what we've started I might be a match for you, I guess :smirk: :laugh:

Moral code? I don't think of this strange collocation anymore ))))
Yeah, the longer I live the more useless it seems :alles: :facepalm3:

Well, look at the question from a different angle then. Do you really need to deal with them? Why do they bother you?
I guess, it's not the mood jumps that bother me in the long run, but what causes them. Although... I'm not very happy when I'm too merry, because it's a some kind of sign that I'm going to feel really bad later. Actually I'm a melancholic, I'm unable to express strong emotions, they are all deep down, so when they spring up too... actively it's just not normal :hmm:

Now that was unexpected...

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And also he's a big fan of DW, so it all can get really crazy :crzdance:
Every fan of DW is crazy, there are maybe just degrees, but the fact is the fact )))

Like, it's such a quiet neighbourhood, we'll just walk here and then visit the Olympic games opening ceremony, nice and quiet... oh, wait, why is there no children? not one?.. Let's look at the grass... :lol: :lol: :lol:
Just like that :yes: Textbook adventure addicts :-D

You might as well be right :rotate:
And with celebrities living far away from you you may as well stick to being right as you'll probably never check it in reality.

You don't wanna know what I've been doing to numbers on bus tickets for a very long time, you really don't :mosk:
Well, you don't want to know what I do with numbers and letters on car plates every time I'm not doing something else ))))

does it sound very strange? o_O :shy: :str:
Not at all, actually.

So-o, when I see you on the Internet this late I worry a bit that you won't get enough sleep and... ye-e-eah, I'm shutting up :shuffle2:
Don't worry :) I'm not an early bird by nature, so it's better for my body to fall asleep at sunrise rather than at sunset. And I can go for months and months sleeping four or three hours a day; actually, I can go for two days on end without sleep at all and be still functioning - back at uni it was very helpful during exams. I make up for it in more or less quiet times like the last month. No need to worry, although it's somehow warming that you remember and care :)

We-e-ell,if I finish what we've started I might be a match for you, I guess :smirk: :laugh:
A pair of wicked loonies we will be, what an idyllic pictire that is :-D

Yeah, the longer I live the more useless it seems :alles: :facepalm3:
It is actually useless )))

I'm not very happy when I'm too merry, because it's a some kind of sign that I'm going to feel really bad later.
Well, it's good that you know what to expect - if it's really inevitable, you shall be prepared and able to do something to lessen the oncoming bad moods.

Note the correct transcription of "ж" :alles: :dance:
So nice of them to look after the transliteration of surnames ))))

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Every fan of DW is crazy, there are maybe just degrees, but the fact is the fact )))
Yes, you can't watch a man with a police phone box and a sonic screwdriver and not be crazy — hm, I guess the world is not so sane as it thinks itself to be :-D

Well, you don't want to know what I do with numbers and letters on car plates every time I'm not doing something else ))))
And letters too? :wow: I do want to know that :kino:

I'm not an early bird by nature, so it's better for my body to fall asleep at sunrise rather than at sunset.
Owls United :friend:

And I can go for months and months sleeping four or three hours a day; actually, I can go for two days on end without sleep at all and be still functioning - back at uni it was very helpful during exams. I make up for it in more or less quiet times like the last month. No need to worry, although it's somehow warming that you remember and care
Good abilty, I'm practically dead after about 36 hours with no sleep :gigi:
:shuffle2: :squeeze:

A pair of wicked loonies we will be, what an idyllic pictire that is
Yeah, and at a first glance people would think we are serious and then look closer and pass out/run away screaming :gigi: Oh God, it's actually Daleks :lol: :lol:

Well, it's good that you know what to expect - if it's really inevitable, you shall be prepared and able to do something to lessen the oncoming bad moods.
Yes, at least it's not a shock so I can turn my state into something productive :rotate:

So nice of them to look after the transliteration of surnames ))))
:yes: Such professionalism must be respected :-D

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Yes, you can't watch a man with a police phone box and a sonic screwdriver and not be crazy — hm, I guess the world is not so sane as it thinks itself to be :-D
Nobody is as sane as they think themselves to be. The question is whether this will ever be revealed or not.

And letters too? :wow: I do want to know that :kino:
Well, I combine them, read them in English, Russian, French, Latin, add other letters so as to compile a new word, build up stories around those words, make phrases from the letters on the cars standng in a row along the road. As I walk past, I see them and I do it all :)

Owls United :friend:
Owls Inс., Ltd :friend2:

Good abilty, I'm practically dead after about 36 hours with no sleep :gigi:
My body also makes me pay after forty eight hours awake, but it's reasonable enough to look for mutially agreable solutions.

Yeah, and at a first glance people would think we are serious and then look closer and pass out/run away screaming :gigi:
And what will we do then? )))

Yes, at least it's not a shock so I can turn my state into something productive :rotate:
Tell me what you did with it when I'm back :) I'm leaving tomorrow evening and till the fifth of August if not later.

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By the way, I continue exploring RPS - now for Tennant/Barrowman. I can say so far that the rule about coordination between the rating and the quality of a text doesn't work here. Every. Single. Fic. Including. Barrowman. Is. NC-17. Only one tiniest drabble is an exception - but probably that's because one has little room in a small drabble to write a proper sex-scene. No, really, the man seems to be really from the 51st century with all the pheromones and stuff judging by the texts.
And maybe that's partly true, considering what was said in The Friday Night Project where Tennant was a guest host )))

Can't resist a quote from the head part of one of the fics I've read:
Genre: Wankfic

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Nobody is as sane as they think themselves to be. The question is whether this will ever be revealed or not.
:yes: It's quite interesting for me lately to hear some people call other people too "normal" or "righteous" or something like that, and they are so sure about that, when they actually don't know what those others are hiding, what's really not shown :rotate:

Well, I combine them, read them in English, Russian, French, Latin, add other letters so as to compile a new word, build up stories around those words, make phrases from the letters on the cars standng in a row along the road. As I walk past, I see them and I do it all
:inlove: :inlove: :inlove: I'm definitely adopting this thing :yes:
Mine is boring: you know about lucky tickets? So, if I get a ticket and it's not lucky, I sum up, divide, multiply the numbers to make it lucky. Does it make me a secret optimist? :hmm: :alles:

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Also possible :-D :crzhug:

My body also makes me pay after forty eight hours awake, but it's reasonable enough to look for mutially agreable solutions.
A reasonable body is definitely useful :-D

And what will we do then? )))
Go on doing our crazy stuff, I guess :evil:

Tell me what you did with it when I'm back I'm leaving tomorrow evening and till the fifth of August if not later.
I think you'll get lots of U-mails of what I did with it :smirk:

Every. Single. Fic. Including. Barrowman. Is. NC-17.
:-D Well, he does create a particular image :gigi:

And maybe that's partly true, considering what was said in The Friday Night Project where Tennant was a guest host )))
And what was said there?)) :smirk:

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Well, :hmm: it's very convenient. You don't have to read the boring summary now :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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:yes: It's quite interesting for me lately to hear some people call other people too "normal" or "righteous" or something like that, and they are so sure about that, when they actually don't know what those others are hiding, what's really not shown :rotate:
That just shows the level of the speakers' self-confidence and self-centeredness - they are sure they can tell normal from abnormal and be the ultimate judge of others; they can't even imagine, in fact, that they are so often so utterly and deeply wrong. Their world goes around them, and they imply that everyone else's does too.

Mine is boring: you know about lucky tickets? So, if I get a ticket and it's not lucky, I sum up, divide, multiply the numbers to make it lucky. Does it make me a secret optimist? :hmm: :alles:
I know, yes. Although I don't ever try hard to make the number lucky - if it's not, then it's not. I suppose it makes you a non-secret-at-all optimist )))

A reasonable body is definitely useful :-D
Well, it gets in return its share of healthy lifestyle, so it has reasons to be reasonable )))

Go on doing our crazy stuff, I guess :evil:
Sounds promising :cheek:

I think you'll get lots of U-mails of what I did with it :smirk:
Oh, I'm looking forward to that :smirk:

And what was said there?)) :smirk:
Well, you might've heard of that. The hosts of the show, Alan Carr and Justin Lee Collins, read out a bit from a site they claimed to be called Who Porn - and Tennant looked really astonished at the idea and said it was a family show, hey, what porn, you mean, really, porn?! (and I thought while watching: oh, you didn't know, really? don't believe you, my boy, no way - you've got no parental control over your Internet, after all) - and the bit was the Doctor/Jack. Tennant answered to that: oh, that must be from John Barrowman's blog! That was clearly a smart-ass answer as Tennant had to come up with a witty retort for the sake of the show, but. Whenever the sex topic arises, the topic of John Barrowman arises too. Like the two topics are truly inseparable. To think at least of the question from the audience of the said show; can't remember the exact words, but the point of the question was "whose cock is bigger - yours or John Barrowman's?"

Well, :hmm: it's very convenient. You don't have to read the boring summary now :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Oh yes, there was no need to read the summary as the fic was exactly what the genre said: the whole text devoted to Tennant wanking to the image of Barrowman dressed as a woman :cheek: Really convenient, it was.

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That just shows the level of the speakers' self-confidence and self-centeredness - they are sure they can tell normal from abnormal and be the ultimate judge of others; they can't even imagine, in fact, that they are so often so utterly and deeply wrong. Their world goes around them, and they imply that everyone else's does too.
I guess so; it's always suspicious when people judge too quickly.

I know, yes. Although I don't ever try hard to make the number lucky - if it's not, then it's not.
Well, it's quite an entertaining pastime)))

suppose it makes you a non-secret-at-all optimist )))
Actually, I show all the signs of a pessimist, but noone can be just optimist or pessimist, can they?))) Or maybe I'm a bit rebellious :rotate: Self-analysis will be my undoing :facepalm3:

Well, it gets in return its share of healthy lifestyle, so it has reasons to be reasonable )))
Oh, barter then? :-D

Sounds promising
Do we have much choice? :rotate:

and Tennant looked really astonished at the idea and said it was a family show, hey, what porn, you mean, really, porn?! (and I thought while watching: oh, you didn't know, really? don't believe you, my boy, no way - you've got no parental control over your Internet, after all)
It's possible that he really didn't know; what if he has actually never googled himself or DW, who knows :crznope:

Whenever the sex topic arises, the topic of John Barrowman arises too. Like the two topics are truly inseparable.
We-e-ell, first you work for your reputation, then your reputation works for you; and how exactly it works was never mentioned in the contract :alles:

h yes, there was no need to read the summary as the fic was exactly what the genre said: the whole text devoted to Tennant wanking to the image of Barrowman dressed as a woman
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: See? The author did take care about you :rotate: :rotate:

whose cock is bigger - yours or John Barrowman's?"
Nice questions from the audience, BTW :facepalm3:

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Actually, I show all the signs of a pessimist, but noone can be just optimist or pessimist, can they?))) Or maybe I'm a bit rebellious :rotate:
Everyone's so much richer than the limits of any definitions. You may be anyone no matter whom you think yourself to be.

Oh, barter then? :-DDo we have much choice? :rotate:
Kinda that :rotate:

It's possible that he really didn't know; what if he has actually never googled himself or DW, who knows :crznope:
He actually googled himself at least once - when he just started as the Doctor, to learn what the viewers thought of him, it's a fact. And it's possible, of course, but hard, to imagine him never googling DW while being a crazy fanboy about the show since he was like three or four. That's why I thought that.

We-e-ell, first you work for your reputation, then your reputation works for you; and how exactly it works was never mentioned in the contract :alles:
Barrowman's reputation seems to exceed all expectations ))))

See? The author did take care about you :rotate: :rotate:
It was most nice of him, yeah :)

Nice questions from the audience, BTW :facepalm3:
British audience has never been known for being too humble ))) I like the British TV for this openness and crackiness, after all. It was at that show by the way when the famous bit with "can I ruffle your hair" came out.

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Everyone's so much richer than the limits of any definitions. You may be anyone no matter whom you think yourself to be.
May be, who knows))

And it's possible, of course, but hard, to imagine him never googling DW while being a crazy fanboy about the show since he was like three or four. That's why I thought that.
Oh))) Yeah, then it's quite difficult not to stumble upon something not family-related, but you know, you see what you want to see... and don't see what you really don't want to see :rotate: Especially since he's a fan since three or four :gigi:

Barrowman's reputation seems to exceed all expectations ))))
And so it seems :D Is he Scottish, too, by the way? I saw a picture if him in a kilt :hmm:

British audience has never been known for being too humble )))
Yeah, the British audience, the British press...

It was at that show by the way when the famous bit with "can I ruffle your hair" came out.
:wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: Oh my God :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: "What exactly does ruffling entail?" — how careful of him to ask it, one might think there were other-- precedents :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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May be, who knows))
For me it's certain :)

but you know, you see what you want to see... and don't see what you really don't want to see :rotate:
I guess, that could be just the case. But during the show he couldn't have avoided finally seeing it as it was almost practically thrown into his face.

Is he Scottish, too, by the way? I saw a picture if him in a kilt :hmm:
Yes, he is. He was born in Scotland, and later on, when he was like eight, his family moved to the United States. He returned to the UK when already a grown-up.

:wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: Oh my God :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: "What exactly does ruffling entail?" — how careful of him to ask it, one might think there were other-- precedents :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I love this bit too )))
I don't know if there were any precedents as you put it but he was surely precaucious :-D Maybe he just couldn't quite get the idea that there were people who desperately wanted to simply ruffle his hair )))

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But during the show he couldn't have avoided finally seeing it as it was almost practically thrown into his face.
Oh, poor man)) What if he thought it would be just another show, but his life instead changed forever :lol:

Yes, he is. He was born in Scotland, and later on, when he was like eight, his family moved to the United States. He returned to the UK when already a grown-up.
Oh, OK)))

Maybe he just couldn't quite get the idea that there were people who desperately wanted to simply ruffle his hair )))
May be :lol: :lol: That's one more lifechanging discovery, and all in one day :facepalm3: :lol:

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What if he thought it would be just another show, but his life instead changed forever :lol:
He'd had to get over it, I presume :-D

That's one more lifechanging discovery, and all in one day :facepalm3: :lol:
This very discovery wasn't bad though, I suppose ))) He like being loved and adored. When people greet him with loud cheering and deafening applause, he shines and looks so smug and pleased and at ease.

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He'd had to get over it, I presume
Yeah, eventually :-D

This very discovery wasn't bad though, I suppose )))
I think it has a slightly creepy feeling to it :-D

He like being loved and adored. When people greet him with loud cheering and deafening applause, he shines and looks so smug and pleased and at ease.
That's good, I guess, for an actor— not to shy away from it, noblesse oblige and so on))

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Yeah, eventually :-D
Who knows, maybe he even found something he liked ))))

I think it has a slightly creepy feeling to it :-D
Does it?))) It didn't entail anything, after all )))

That's good, I guess, for an actor— not to shy away from it, noblesse oblige and so on))
I agree - it's good for him. Also, it's a response people like to see - him accepting their love, smiling, confident, cheery and cheeky.

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Who knows, maybe he even found something he liked ))))
Perhaps, he might well be a broad minded person :-D

Does it?))) It didn't entail anything, after all )))
Well, it didn't, but it still feels strange when people walk around wanting to touch you :horror2: To me it's creepy, funny but creepy :gigi:

I agree - it's good for him. Also, it's a response people like to see - him accepting their love, smiling, confident, cheery and cheeky.
Yeah, people like confidence)) It would've been no good if he just politely ran away screaming :-D

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Perhaps, he might well be a broad minded person :-D
I bet he is - it's hardly possible to be a DW-fan and be narrow-minded )))

but it still feels strange when people walk around wanting to touch you :horror2: To me it's creepy, funny but creepy :gigi:
If you are a public figure, you've got to get used to things of the kind, I presume. Even if you're an ordinary person, you still might feel it for yourself. It's not really creepy, just a little bit annoying.

It would've been no good if he just politely ran away screaming :-D
No good at all - just imagine thousands of fans discussing this behavior and wishing they could hug him in consolation ))) It's better the way it is, I think.

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My comp decided to take a break :facepalm3:

it's hardly possible to be a DW-fan and be narrow-minded )))
Yeah, since it's one of the show's goals to teach people not to judge each other by some cliche standards :rotate:

If you are a public figure, you've got to get used to things of the kind, I presume.
I'm always so sorry for famous people. Well, I know it's different for each person, but sometimes it looks like you lose your freedom — can be hellish, but yes, it's either you get used to it or change your job :rotate:

Even if you're an ordinary person, you still might feel it for yourself. It's not really creepy, just a little bit annoying.
Uncomfortable :-D

No good at all - just imagine thousands of fans discussing this behavior and wishing they could hug him in consolation )))
:lol: :lol: Or worse, and not in consolation :alles:
Yeah, I guess it's better to take it in your stride))

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My comp decided to take a break :facepalm3:
It happens :)


since it's one of the show's goals to teach people not to judge each other by some cliche standards :rotate:
One of the reasons I adore the show this much. It actually makes you a better person if you love it strongly enough.

Well, I know it's different for each person, but sometimes it looks like you lose your freedom — can be hellish, but yes, it's either you get used to it or change your job :rotate:
Well, some people can manage to find some balance in between. Speaking of Tennant again - he's in the center of the media attention whatever he does, hard to find anyone in the whole Great Britain who wouldn't know his face, but he strictly guards his private life knowing where to put the limits and admitting gladly all that isn't out of the said limits.

Uncomfortable :-D
Exactly :)

Or worse, and not in consolation :alles:
Sounds really cruel )))

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It happens
I should probably take the hints seriously and copy some important... stuff to portable devices :-D I've already got my hard drive changed. Twice :crztuk:


It actually makes you a better person if you love it strongly enough.
It might))) I don't think it makes me any better, but it's probably so due to my stubborness :crazy: :plush:

Well, some people can manage to find some balance in between. Speaking of Tennant again - he's in the center of the media attention whatever he does, hard to find anyone in the whole Great Britain who wouldn't know his face, but he strictly guards his private life knowing where to put the limits and admitting gladly all that isn't out of the said limits.
I guess to draw the line is the only way to survive :gigi:
Plus Tennant has quite a distinctive appearance it's hard not to recognize him, and there's nothing he can do about it but deal with it :rotate:

Sounds really cruel )))
But still possible :rotate:

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I've already got my hard drive changed. Twice :crztuk:
Oh. You'd better take care of the backup then.

I don't think it makes me any better, but it's probably so due to my stubborness :crazy: :plush:
You might not notice it yet :)

Plus Tennant has quite a distinctive appearance it's hard not to recognize him
He actually looks quite different from his screen image when he walks along the street in casual clothes, his hair flat and his eyes hidden behind big clumsy sunglasses. I think if he wanted to, he'd make himself unrecognisable at all, but he's satisfied with the still existing possibility of being recognised.

By the way - do you remember the TARDIS USB Hub? It's sold here. Not that it is of much importance, but I found it accidentally today and just remembered us discussing the pictire.

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Oh. You'd better take care of the backup then.
Yeah, things tend to break down around me from time to time :-D

You might not notice it yet
That's possible too :rotate:

I think if he wanted to, he'd make himself unrecognisable at all, but he's satisfied with the still existing possibility of being recognised.
A habit hard to give up :gigi:

By the way - do you remember the TARDIS USB Hub? It's sold here. Not that it is of much importance, but I found it accidentally today and just remembered us discussing the pictire.
Oh, yeah, I remember it :rotate: Don't quite remember what we discussed though, just something about what the hell it was and that it's probably hard to find :laugh:

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Yeah, things tend to break down around me from time to time :-D
Must be a nasty feeling :rotate: My current hard drive works perfectly well for four years by now, but I still prefer to back the most important things.

Don't quite remember what we discussed though, just something about what the hell it was and that it's probably hard to find :laugh:
That pretty much sums up our discussion ))) You see now, it's quite available. The most attractive fact in the description of it for me is that it makes the materialising sounds - must be fascinating to hear them in your own room.

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Must be a nasty feeling My current hard drive works perfectly well for four years by now, but I still prefer to back the most important things.
Mine is about two ot three years old, I should be carefull, yeah :-D
Back at school during Design and Technology classes (if that's the English equivalent for "труд" :-D), when there weren't enough working sewing machines I used to walk around the room, sit beside someone, and then their machines used to stop functioning :alles: That was fun; my poor friend had an especially hard time :-D :-D

The most attractive fact in the description of it for me is that it makes the materialising sounds - must be fascinating to hear them in your own room.
And fueling imagination too, I suppose :-D I'd never be able to get used to it :alles:
Do you have any plans for this thing? :rotate:

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I used to walk around the room, sit beside someone, and then their machines used to stop functioning :alles:
That is a truly fascinating ability :) You could've been used as a secret weapon )))

Do you have any plans for this thing? :rotate:
Not just yet, I guess. There are certain complications awaiting me in case of Internet-shopping. Maybe I'll be able to solve them in the foreseen future.

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That is a truly fascinating ability You could've been used as a secret weapon )))
:-D But maybe they break down only when I want them to work, and maybe when I want them to break down, they'll do just the opposite :lol:

There are certain complications awaiting me in case of Internet-shopping. Maybe I'll be able to solve them in the foreseen future.
O_o Like no Internet money?) :shy:

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But maybe they break down only when I want them to work, and maybe when I want them to break down, they'll do just the opposite :lol:
Then the ability is controlled - you are a very, very dangerous weapon )))

O_o Like no Internet money?) :shy:
Well, no. I'm not really to talk about the forementioned complications.

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Then the ability is controlled - you are a very, very dangerous weapon )))
And if I don't go and rob banks using it, I'd better keep it a secret I suppose :-D

Well, no. I'm not really to talk about the forementioned complications.
OK))) It's just it sounded quite interesting, but my imagination refused to give me any variants :rotate:

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And if I don't go and rob banks using it, I'd better keep it a secret I suppose :-D
Well, I propose that you do keep it in secret especially if you go and rob a bank - it seems a reasonable decision )))

It's just it sounded quite interesting, but my imagination refused to give me any variants :rotate:
Make your imagination work then :cheek: I'm afraid I won't give any further information.

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Well, I propose that you do keep it in secret especially if you go and rob a bank - it seems a reasonable decision )))
Step 1: keeping silent (easy)
Step 2: learning not to be nervous so I wouldn't catch anyone's attention (a lo-o-o-o-ot of work)
It's a hard thing robbing a bank :lol:

Make your imagination work then I'm afraid I won't give any further information.
I guess I'll have to leave you in peace, because I'm lazy :rotate:

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It's a hard thing robbing a bank :lol:
You can't get something for nothing, can you )))

I have to tell you now: I gotta leave again, tomorrow morning. For a week certainly, maybe more. I was told of this urgent trip today in the afternoon and had no idea whatsoever before that. There won't be any access to the Internet, that much I know for sure.
I've already packed; leaving my place in eleven hours or so. Quite annoying, I might say.

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You can't get something for nothing, can you )))
Plus you have to get the plan of the building somewhere... :-D

I see your bosses do like to send you on errands, don't they? :rotate:

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Plus you have to get the plan of the building somewhere... :-D
You can switch off all computers nearby and while everyone will be running around and panicking, you'll walk through the building making drafts of a plan and photos )))

I see your bosses do like to send you on errands, don't they? :rotate:
Usually I don't have to go anywhere, but the situation changes this summer - hope it will change back when the autumn falls. I feel a bit irritated - I don't have time now to watch DW up to Deadly Assassin, although I wanted to see it today or at least tomorrow.

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You can switch off all computers nearby and while everyone will be running around and panicking, you'll walk through the building making drafts of a plan and photos )))
If all the cameras switch off too :-D

Usually I don't have to go anywhere, but the situation changes this summer - hope it will change back when the autumn falls.
You don't like travelling then? Or something interfering with your plans?)

I feel a bit irritated - I don't have time now to watch DW up to Deadly Assassin, although I wanted to see it today or at least tomorrow.
There's a kind of bright side to it actually — a strong possibility that I might watch it by the time you watch it :gigi: If it's a bright side, that is :shy:

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If all the cameras switch off too :-D
They send information straight to computers which will be switched off - so no information about you will be saved )))

You don't like travelling then? Or something interfering with your plans?)
I don't like travelling in rush like this time )) Also working after a long journey is more tiring than usual. And the last point - this time it really interferes with my plans (those being watching DW and maybe writing or translating something in this fandom). This is it, I suppose.

There's a kind of bright side to it actually — a strong possibility that I might watch it by the time you watch it :gigi: If it's a bright side, that is :shy:
It is, I gather - we will be able to discuss it properly :)

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They send information straight to computers which will be switched off - so no information about you will be saved )))
Oh, so my only goal is to be descreet and try to pretend that I'm also panicking, while secretly taking photos)) OK X))

It is, I gather - we will be able to discuss it properly
:yes: And we can bring it here and return a normal simply a topic to this discussion :lol: :laugh:

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Oh, so my only goal is to be descreet and try to pretend that I'm also panicking, while secretly taking photos)) OK X))
The main thing is not to panic for real :rotate:

:yes: And we can bring it here and return a normal simply a topic to this discussion :lol: :laugh:
Do we actually need one? ))) Although it would be fun for a change :)

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